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Just now, Mckram said:

Don’t we currently have a 3 points deduction suspended which was part of the 9 we got?

Anyone know the terms of us avoiding this?

We need to pay the wages on time.

16 hours ago, Asanovic70 said:

Be careful, Steve Gibson might report the DJ to .gov.uk for PPL PRS infringement & demand that we only play Chris Rea until Quantuma are left in no position but to agree to a sizeable pay-off to save the ears of our fanbase.

The Road to Hell was one of his wasn't it - how appropriate.

7 minutes ago, Red_ram said:

Mad thought; instead a million individual meetings of the affected parties with MPs, councillors, fan groups, media types, that guy who once did that thing, milkman, etc etc. why not have one, with 4 groups in a room and stay there until something is sorted.

Make the meeting pay per view, will help the club secure funding to see out the season.

10 minutes ago, jono said:

I want us to beat the drop and have our great team of kids and veterans saluting the fans as we sing we are the champions to them at the last home game of the season. 
 

it’s a dream, it’s unlikely but while there’s a breath there’s life 

Bowie - Heroes for me

6 minutes ago, SamUltraRam said:

I seem to remember MM telling Radio Derby that he thought going into administration would be the best for the club long term !!!

Well that's not going too well is it Mel ?

I wonder if we misheard him and he actually said 'going into administration for the long term'?

Too young to fit in with our centre backs, we will probably come back in for him in 2035.

6 minutes ago, MK-Ram said:

Echo this...the issues within the squad seemed to begin under Lampard, and it is where the rot seemed to set in.

I'd stay well away and hope we can pick up a seasoned and successful, yet uninspiring L1 manager who can get us back up.  That or an internal appointment.

Ideally, an interim appointment until a takeover goes through and then hope we can prise Evatt or Eustace away from their current employers.  I also don't think Valakari would be an impossibility.

That being said, this is all theoretical.  Benitez is still in a job and Rooney remains our manager....for now 

When Eustace was in charge of QPR and they played Derby towards the end of the Lampard season his team turned in one of those most negative displays of football I have ever seen - even managing to outdo Steve Clarke's reading. An effective player for us but I don't want him back as manager.

17 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

 

"14 Dec 2021   Result of meeting of creditors
This document is being processed and will be available in 10 days."

 

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00049139/filing-history

So the document can now be viewed - anyone know what it means?

51 minutes ago, Joe said:

DCFC website shows Forest away live on sky at 12:30pm on Saturday January 22nd and Birmingham at home moved to Sunday 30th January with a 1:30pm kick off, first I have seen of this.

At least Sky are confident we will still be around at the end of Jan. I wonder if they have an old highlights package on standby just in case?

19 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

At the moment. But there's supposed to be an agreed business plan as part of exiting administration too, which would presumably build on this one...

Fair point - we just have to see what that business plan looks like when we hopefully exit admin. Hopefully any restrictions are less onerous but you never know!

The furstration would be that, if the current plan sticks, it limits the development of the younger players as the 'first time appearance clock' is running. Surely that can't be a good thing.

22 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

Which would give us the weird circumstance next season, where if we're in league 1, academy lads starting games wouldn't count towards their 3 starts, as they were registered while we were a championship club.  And thinking about it, anybody that we signed in 2007/8 wouldn't count at all, as we were a prem club when they signed. Louie Sibley has been with us since U8s apparently, so he must be pretty close to that.  Not sure how long the likes of Bird or Buchanan have been around.

 I think the rules in the agreed decision are for this season only?

23 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

That is *really* ambiguous. I initially read it as saying that the "time of their registration" bit just fixed the division we're talking about - so at the moment it's saying any player that's started 3 Championship or higher matches, but next season (assuming it still applies), it might be referring to League 1. 

But if you read it as "fixing" the players status at the point they are registered, then none of the current academy lads will ever fall under it.  Bird, Buchanan, Knight etc had all started zero league games at the point they were registered with us.

On reflection I agree with you - I think it fixes the level the player accrues the 3 appearances at in terms of whether that division is equal to or higher than the one we are playing in at the time the player was registered.

On 21/11/2021 at 22:14, DCFC1388 said:

Im not sure that is the case, the statement said a permitted player is someone who has 3+ starts at current or higher level then states the below. No mention of when the agreement was made with regards the permitted players -

 

3.1 the Club will be permitted to have registered at any one time no more than 25 Permitted Players;

Not saying you are wrong at all but I would really like to understand this point. The agreed decision as provided by the EFL states the following which does seem to indicate that the date of the player's registration is significant:

1.1 “Permitted Player” means any Player who:

i) has at any point during their career, started in 3 League Matches (as defined in the EFL Regulations) in the same or higher division that the Club is participating in at the time of their registration; or

ii) is registered with the Club after the date of this Agreement.

Although I am now thinking that the at the time of their registration refers to the division the club is in rather than the number of starts?

Can anyone help clarify the apparent conflict between what the EFL agreed decision and the administrators appear to be saying about how many permitted players we can have?

From the agreed decision:

3.1 the Club will be permitted to have registered at any one time no more than 25 Permitted Players

1.1 “Permitted Player” means any Player who:

i) has at any point during their career, started in 3 League Matches (as defined in the EFL Regulations) in the same or higher division that the Club is participating in at the time of their registration; or

ii) is registered with the Club after the date of this Agreement.

The key bit here is at the time of registration which I am interpreting as the date at which they signed their current contract

Admin response to Ramstrust question:

Q - Whether an existing player, who isn’t a permitted player because he hasn’t made 3 league starts at the point of his last registration, can play for the first team? Under the agreement, academy players can play for the 1st team. We currently have 20 players who are considered ‘permitted players’. When a player makes their 3rd appearance, will they then be considered a ‘permitted player’ and then take one of the 25 squad slots?

Yes. This restriction only applies for League games (not the FA Cup).

So if we take Liam Thompson – zero appearances when registered so according to agreed decision will not count as a permitted player (at any point). Admin response indicates that he would from 3rd start for first team.

Can anyone clarify?

1 hour ago, alram said:

No metal, i am going to shake his hand and tell him what a great job he did at Derby county.

It must be encouraging for potential new owners to read things like this.

5 minutes ago, alram said:

why should he? he has put the club at risk of going into liquidation, he should never be welcome back at the club.

You intend to make him feel unwelcome?

26 minutes ago, Archied said:

Depends on how this all pans out,,could be a situation where he might never want to show his face again at a Derby game ,,, if there is a Derby left to go and watch?‍♂️

Thanks - cheered me right up that has.

58 minutes ago, oldtimeram said:

I was wondering if Morris is still attending matches and sitting in the Directors Box, or is he keeping a low profile at the moment?

Well one of the administrators was parked in Mel's parking space for Saturday's game so unless Mel walked in he probably wasn't there.

Mel is a fan so hopefully he feels that he can attend when it suits him going forward.

16 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

I didn't get that sense...they obviously knew each other fairly well and had been texting the night before so it seemed like Jordan was trying to lead him into getting the headline quotes (which is his job) and Andrew was happy to be led.

I lost track over the different point deduction issues and I don't think they addressed that very well.

I think you are listening with informed Derby ears. Generally the vast bulk of the audience would have no clue what is going on and a lot wouldn't care either so Jordan was trying to simplify/explain the larger situation for the majority. 

Agree with you on the explanation of the points deductions - muddled. He was clear on the -12 for admin being appealled but then talked about the issue they inherited and suspended penalty. I took the latter reference to refer to the suspended -3 for missing wage payments (as he referenced depending in conduct of new owners). The bit he didn't seem to comment on was any penalty for P&S breach and it would be great to have clarity on that.

I have Keogh's poppy day shirt from the 3-0 win over Rotherham, how much do you want to take it away?

Tomori, Wilson and Mount.

15 hours ago, TZM said:

Are you South West upper too?

East Stand upper.

2 hours ago, TZM said:

Mine now works out at £410 (including the 3 tickets already purchased) instead of the £340 that I originally paid and had refunded. Think I’m in year 9 (8 if I take off last season), so I now miss out on the biggest discount.

A 20% increase is out of order.

edit - I think a lot of this is because my ticket has now gone from being the cheapest (SW upper) to the middle price band.

Total cost of my 3 tickets has gone up by 27%. Paid £815 for 2020/21 and the 3 tickets would cost £1,035 over 23 games in 2021/22. Haven't changed seats and none of us has moved age bands.

As other have said, very straightforward. Most difficult bit was trying to remember our seat numbers.

6 minutes ago, Carnero said:

D'oh I was just thinking of league appearances for us!

Didn't Solomon come on as a sub early in a game last season? Unless that was a friendly?

Looks like friendlies only.

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/teams/player/harrison-solomon