therams69

3 minutes ago, Spanish said:

nope your post is the one that is naïve.  I don't think any of us have our head in the sand, in our hands maybe?.  The expectations of the fans by having one of our own as the owner was driven further by the outstanding comms in  the first year.  These sort of things are all very easy when matters are going well then it all turns toxic when they are not. i thought at the time it was very worthy but it could end in tears if it meant some fans felt they had a stake worthy of detailed updates.  You have to be a very strong person to face a hostile crowd and like many the current group have no appetite for this type of confrontation.  To be honest why should they?   I don't trust them but they are the best we've got

Spanish, I have dealt with the club for 15 odd years. Way before Mel and Stephen arrived at this club. I have had many meetings with them but the time has now come...

All that was asked was for them to come out and say everything is going to be okay in the event of relegation or the takeover collapsing. I was asking and they know me and I know them. I would like to think mutual respect is there. Why can they not come out and do that. I respect their opinion and I thought they respected mine, clearly not. I am part of the supporters charter group which clearly means nothing to them as they have refused to even hold that over the past 12 months.

1 minute ago, 24Charlie said:

Save it mate. Heard far too much drivel form ITKs this season.

Is now the right time to reveal I am Barry the Ram?

5 minutes ago, 24Charlie said:

What is the point of this post?

There’s not a word or theory that’s not been done to death on many different threads. 

If you already got it if your chest on Facebook why bother posting on here other than you don’t read this forum very much and have missed this place tear itself inside out in recent weeks.

 

The point of this post is to highlight the real mess we are in. 

I do read this forum quite a fair bit but as with most things they get lost in different threads.

Do not bury your heads in the sand which seems to be the common approach on here for some strange reason. Interestingly on my facebook post not 1 person in 40 odd comments has disagreed with me. They trust what I am saying as they know me.

Please do not think for one minute that I am trying to be this or that, I am genuinely really concerned about our football club having spoken to many people over the last few days.

1 minute ago, cheron85 said:

I'm not sure very much of your post was fact - Lots of opinions in there which I'm sure are shared by many on here - But not a lot of facts

There are facts in there but just maybe I cannot go into more detail than is allowed. 

8 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Pardon my ignorance but how representative of Derby County supporters is this Club 84? How many members does it claim to have?

Not sure. You will have to ask them that but they are the only really vocal group at the minute.

11 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

What are these 'facts', as opposed to forum chat, newspaper articles quoting 'a source' and any other media outlet who's main aim is to peddle gossip?

The only fact I'm aware of is the absence of any recent comment from the one person who is guaranteed to know the current financial situation at the Club - Mel Morris. Yes, I'm sure we would all feel better if he came out and told us what we want to know but like it or not, we must wait for that to happen when he deems fit.

We all know how precarious our league position is, you don't have to be a genius to work that out and everyone is entitled to an opinion as to where the blame lies as far as that is concerned but once again i get the impression people are quoting facts when clearly they are not.

I am really not in the line of making things up Wolfie. In fact I dont really have the time to be doing all of this if truth be told.

You say we would all feel better - so why hasn't he come out and spoken then. Do things in life that are good and make people feel better....

Again, those that know me know I would never make stuff up with any agenda. 

8 minutes ago, Philmycock said:

Oh look, another "super fan", far superior us mere mortal season ticket holders.

Dave.

That has never been said or suggested by me, far from it! 

3 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

I might be being naive here but how can the club come out and confirm anything just yet when they:

1. Don't know the outcome of the EFL appeal (which is the reason behind the delay in accounts, already confirmed by Stephen Pearce)

2. Don't know whether or not the takeover is going through

3. Don't know the final outcome of the Keogh appeal and any compo we may have to pay

4. We don't know which league we will be in next year which impact the finances either way

 

You are being naïve I am afraid.

1. When was the last time he came out and spoke to the fans. 

2. We need to know that should the takeover not happen that the club will be fine. Dont need details on takeover.

3. Keogh issue not important. Probably end up losing though like we did with Sam.

4. Well if we go down that's 10m less income if reports are to be believed. Even if we stay up do not think that all will be okay.

6 minutes ago, bcnram said:

Sometimes it is better to say nothing than feed platitudes because a small self-appointed group think they should. 

In fairness Club 84 are worried about the club. I am worried about the club. You know when I said about burying head in the sand........

1 minute ago, bcnram said:

Seems like a rant to me. I would guess that they are keeping things confidential during a sensitive period. 

So the current custodians of our football club are keeping quiet because saying we are going to be okay is confidential. Nothing confidential about it and does not affect any NDC.

Just now, Yani P said:

When you say.. this has been refused many times does this mean Morris or Pearce or a spokesperson have actually told you they refuse to provide an update? Or are you just talking radio silence?

The top 2. Spokespeople are irrelevant as they are just fed info from the top as if the top 2 refuse to speak then what are we left with - silence. Question is why.

1 minute ago, kingsy1884 said:

It this based on anything other than just senior officer at Derby not wanting a chat?

Far from that. I would love for you to tell me one person, whether a Journo, club official etc that can tell us this football club is going to be okay, they can't because it wont be.

Just now, Wolfie said:

Rants tend to be off the cuff where as facts are different! LOL

Hi everyone,

I have posted this on my personal facebook but want to let everyone else know as well hence why I have started a new thread. As fans we need to be collectively acting now on the back of the group Club 84 raising various issues over the past week or so. Do no bury your heads in the sand any longer. I am concerned.

Spent this last week focusing on something that means a hell of alot to me, Derby County.

This past year has been tough on me, sure you all know that and my primarily focus has been on my business and family. A new addition in Phoebe, a house move that now risks having houses built at the back of us replacing the green belt land that reside on the land and then working most nights delivering Uber to bring some income in, not to mention home schooling. So I haven't had the time to think about Derby County but it has now come to a tipping point where I am very concerned about our club.

Regardless of the result on Saturday, this club in my opinion is in serious danger and when I say that I mean it in the strongest of terms. Should this takeover not happen then I worry that we will have no club to return to.

Over the past few weeks many supporters group and the local press have requested that either Mel Morris or Stephen Pearce just come out and gives us fans some 'reassurance' that our club will be secure in the event of the takeover collapsing. This has been refused many times.

I have been involved with the club for around 15 years now and have attended many meetings including the supporters committee that meet every couple of months and improving the atmosphere etc etc... Always had a very good relationship and a mutual respect with both Mel & Stephen. There was plans for a protest after the game on Saturday (now been called off due to safety concerns with the Arena Vaccines) and originally this could have simply been avoided by either of them coming out to give us fans reassurance. I asked the question a couple of days ago and they have refused to come out and say 'anything'.

It does not need a genius to work out that this is an absolute disgrace of respect for us fans. The same people who asked fans to donate their Season Ticket money to the club in the middle of a pandemic to help it be run as opposed to having a refund. The absolute pure cheek of it is astounding.

When things go silent and when people in authority refuse to speak to the biggest stakeholders of this football club, which if you didn't know, is us fans, then questions and concerns need to be raised and answered and unfortunately certain people are hiding - draw your own conclusions on that.

The focus without doubt needs to be on the game on Saturday but irrespective of the outcome, Derby County are in serious danger and as fans we need to act. Do not say to me that it will all be okay if we stay up, it won't be. Do not be naïve to think that. We are in a huge mess. There is a reason why accounts get published and that is so fans can understand the situation of our club. This is way overdue, why?.

Mel Morris has invested alot of money in this football club but whilst doing so has made us an absolute embarrassment in the football world and has failed. Selling the stadium to himself was done because he overspent and screwed up. So many thought it was clever, it really wasn't - it was hiding his mistakes as custodian to this football club which resulted in the football club no longer owning the biggest asset which in turn will make any takeover complicated. Let's not even go there with the Arab failed takeover, due diligence of any interested party failed big time there and weeks were wasted with it.

Under his command we have seen absolute appalling recruitment. This has never been addressed despite being raised time and time again. In fact, we may as well appoint him as manager as I always thought it should be the football club manager that targets & buys players. I dont need to name names with this one but there is a player at this club who has never played second time around and is getting paid very well, wonder why...

Clearly our season has been nothing short of a shambles. You cannot blame the kids and you cannot blame the players to a degree, it isn't there fault they are not good enough. The captain of the ship is responsible for this. Important we back the lads tomorrow and hope and pray they get us over the line to keep our Championship status.

This post is not a rant. Its reality that our football club and the fab Derby people that work within it are in serious danger of being no more. Please do not say to me that this derails tomorrow, I am sorry but the situation is far worse than the potential relegation we face tomorrow. Feel free to bury your heads in the sands but things need to change at Derby County and quick before it really is to late.

I would say to Mel & Stephen, feel free to respond and give us reassurances, but they have already refused to do so. That my friends is all you need to know about who we currently have running our beloved Derby County.

Stephen Pearce needs to resign. Any CEO of any business does not hide like what you have.

Mel Morris needs to depart this football club and take all the debt with him. The stadium should be given back to the football club and included in any sale. He should swallow his pride and sell this great football club to the 'best' candidate and not just who he prefers. We both know there are offers on the table and you know who they are from.

After all, you are Derby through and through - said no one ever but you.

Nick

5 minutes ago, nottingram said:

I do not believe a single word that that weird little man Matt Hughes writes

Chief Sports Writer for a national paper and genuinely about half his stories are about Derby. Really odd.

Guess if you have a good source at a particular club and all that.....

Lovely stuff Ryan and well done. Your Dad must be very proud of you.

Will hopefully pick a copy up at some point...

All the best,

Nick

Millwall away - 20 June 2020

2 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said:

Must be hard mate, if you are struggling you could always expel one or two?*

 

*Copyright Jason Manford.

They have already been suspended and expelled!

Coping as best as I can, I always think there are worse off people than me though and that is what keeps me focused...

Personally I am home schooling 3 kids with number 4 due in June (planned outside the normal footballing window!)

Work wise is where its been hard. Those that dont know, I run my own travel business so self employed. Been a really tough couple of months with all the immediate issues and changes, think there were 220 updates around the world. Kind of managed to sort them out but from a mental health point of view its never easy to deal with considering I am working for free now, have to pay back a fair bit of money I had already earnt and been paid for holidays that were imminent departures and then see all my hard work over the last 9 months pretty much all dwindle down to nothing. Hard gig running a travel business and being self employed but alive and well so..............

Hope everyone is well.....

Oh and I have no idea where the big flag is! Last seen on the team coach heading to Millwall ... Sure it will be somewhere with Ellisons! 

2 hours ago, Inverurie Ram said:

@therams69 Great to see the Jim Smith flag at the Derby County 0-3 Man Utd FA Cup 5th Round March 5th 2020 and a certain flagman in the crowd.

Haha! I need to go and get that hole sewed up (hence someone put a flag through it lol)

Bristol City away Feb 2020

Swansea away Feb 2020

1 hour ago, Inverurie Ram said:

Horrible club Middlesbrough.

Let's not forget the horrible Middlesbrough fans that spat all over our Derby flag, poured cola over it and gave it a good tug.

 

They tried and they failed .... Thankfully the girls at Moor Farm had it washed that very same day on it's return as it was absolutely covered in coke and god knows what else....

Palace away in FA Cup 3rd round 2020.

10 hours ago, Inverurie Ram said:

Ahhh Boro away! The only time ever, that home fans have tried to tear down the flag. That was along with all the bottles of coke and spit that was thrown on it as well...