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Just been watching Sky sports news and what hit me was the irony of 2 topics of their program this morning.
First they were waxing lyrical over 'Liverpool's' future superstar wonder kid, Kaide Gordon and within minutes were discussing the demise of our club. They didn't mention at all the fact that Liverpool virtually 'stole' him from us.
How unfair is the system whereby a club has invested heavily in its academy, loses a player worth 10s of millions for a pittance. Nevermind the rights or wrongs of how Derby have got in this mess with overspending elsewhere, we have also spent money in the right place to develop a talent worth tens of millions of pounds, but without getting the reward.
No offense to Kaide or to Liam Delap, but if they had had the interests of the club at heart, like Jude Bellingham at Birmingham, we would be a lot better off. Jude Bellingham waited until his 17th birthday before signing professionally for the Blues, who then immediately sold him to Dortmund for £25M. You can't blame our youngsters because they may have picked up a career ending injury before their 17th, but you can blame the football system which allows this to happen.
So because of the different attitudes of three 16 year olds, Blues are plus £25M and Derby plus £2M when it should be plus £50M.
Derby's academy should have been able to clear our debts, but the system has prevented it.

Just been watching Sky sports news and what hit me was the irony of 2 topics of their program this morning.
First they were waxing lyrical over 'Liverpool's' future superstar wonder kid, Kaide Gordon and within minutes were discussing the demise of our club. They didn't mention at all the fact that Liverpool virtually 'stole' him from us.
How unfair is the system whereby a club has invested heavily in its academy, loses a player worth 10s of millions for a pittance. Nevermind the rights or wrongs of how Derby have got in this mess with overspending elsewhere, we have also spent money in the right place to develop a talent worth tens of millions of pounds, but without getting the reward.
No offense to Kaide or to Liam Delap, but if they had had the interests of the club at heart, like Jude Bellingham at Birmingham, we would be a lot better off. Jude Bellingham waited until his 17th birthday before signing professionally for the Blues, who then immediately sold him to Dortmund for £25M. You can't blame our youngsters because they may have picked up a career ending injury before their 17th, but you can blame the football system which allows this to happen.
So because of the different attitudes of three 16 year olds, Blues are plus £25M and Derby plus £2M when it should be plus £50M.
Derby's academy should have been able to clear our debts, but the system has prevented it.

Just been watching Sky sports news and what hit me was the irony of 2 topics of their program this morning.
First they were waxing lyrical over 'Liverpool's' future superstar wonder kid, Kaide Gordon and within minutes were discussing the demise of our club. They didn't mention at all the fact that Liverpool virtually 'stole' him from us.
How unfair is the system whereby a club has invested heavily in its academy, loses a player worth 10s of millions for a pittance. Nevermind the rights or wrongs of how Derby have got in this mess with overspending elsewhere, we have also spent money in the right place to develop a talent worth tens of millions of pounds, but without getting the reward.
No offense to Kaide or to Liam Delap, but if they had had the interests of the club at heart, like Jude Bellingham at Birmingham, we would be a lot better off. Jude Bellingham waited until his 17th birthday before signing professionally for the Blues, who then immediately sold him to Dortmund for £25M. You can't blame our youngsters because they may have picked up a career ending injury before their 17th, but you can blame the football system which allows this to happen.
So because of the different attitudes of three 16 year olds, Blues are plus £25M and Derby plus £2M when it should be plus £50M.
Derby's academy should have been able to clear our debts, but the system has prevented it.

Just been watching Sky sports news and what hit me was the irony of 2 topics of their program this morning.
First they were waxing lyrical over 'Liverpool's' future superstar wonder kid, Kaide Gordon and within minutes were discussing the demise of our club. They didn't mention at all the fact that Liverpool virtually 'stole' him from us.
How unfair is the system whereby a club has invested heavily in its academy, loses a player worth 10s of millions for a pittance. Nevermind the rights or wrongs of how Derby have got in this mess with overspending elsewhere, we have also spent money in the right place to develop a talent worth tens of millions of pounds, but without getting the reward.
No offense to Kaide or to Liam Delap, but if they had had the interests of the club at heart, like Jude Bellingham at Birmingham, we would be a lot better off. Jude Bellingham waited until his 17th birthday before signing professionally for the Blues, who then immediately sold him to Dortmund for £25M. You can't blame our youngsters because they may have picked up a career ending injury before their 17th, but you can blame the football system which allows this to happen.
So because of the different attitudes of three 16 year olds, Blues are plus £25M and Derby plus £2M when it should be plus £50M.
Derby's academy should have been able to clear our debts, but the system has prevented it.

Just been watching Sky sports news and what hit me was the irony of 2 topics of their program this morning.
First they were waxing lyrical over 'Liverpool's' future superstar wonder kid, Kaide Gordon and within minutes were discussing the demise of our club. They didn't mention at all the fact that Liverpool virtually 'stole' him from us.
How unfair is the system whereby a club has invested heavily in its academy, loses a player worth 10s of millions for a pittance. Nevermind the rights or wrongs of how Derby have got in this mess with overspending elsewhere, we have also spent money in the right place to develop a talent worth tens of millions of pounds, but without getting the reward.
No offense to Kaide or to Liam Delap, but if they had had the interests of the club at heart, like Jude Bellingham at Birmingham, we would be a lot better off. Jude Bellingham waited until his 17th birthday before signing professionally for the Blues, who then immediately sold him to Dortmund for £25M. You can't blame our youngsters because they may have picked up a career ending injury before their 17th, but you can blame the football system which allows this to happen.
So because of the different attitudes of three 16 year olds, Blues are plus £25M and Derby plus £2M when it should be plus £50M.
Derby's academy should have been able to clear our debts, but the system has prevented it.

As good as selling out the Reading game will be, we need to sell as many season tickets as possible, starting with those who haven't renewed.
If the administrators or club fail to pay players wages this month, another 3 points will be struck off. If we could get back to previous season ticket levels, that income should cover the clubs bills for a couple of months. New owners will not be able to take over for at least 2 months, so this injection of cash would be essential to the running of the club until new owners could inject capital. The administrators or club can't raise money through  player sales until January, so there will be no quick fix that way.

As good as selling out the Reading game will be, we need to sell as many season tickets as possible, starting with those who haven't renewed.
If the administrators or club fail to pay players wages this month, another 3 points will be struck off. If we could get back to previous season ticket levels, that income should cover the clubs bills for a couple of months. New owners will not be able to take over for at least 2 months, so this injection of cash would be essential to the running of the club until new owners could inject capital. The administrators or club can't raise money through  player sales until January, so there will be no quick fix that way.

As good as selling out the Reading game will be, we need to sell as many season tickets as possible, starting with those who haven't renewed.
If the administrators or club fail to pay players wages this month, another 3 points will be struck off. If we could get back to previous season ticket levels, that income should cover the clubs bills for a couple of months. New owners will not be able to take over for at least 2 months, so this injection of cash would be essential to the running of the club until new owners could inject capital. The administrators or club can't raise money through  player sales until January, so there will be no quick fix that way.

Start the season when Rooney took over and we had a decent season also, unlike his predecessors, Rooney hasn't been able to spend 1 penny in transfer fees. I can't think of many people who would have been able to attract the likes of Davies, Stearman, Jagielka and Morrison to Derby on the wage restrictions that we are currently under.

As good as selling out the Reading game will be, we need to sell as many season tickets as possible, starting with those who haven't renewed.
If the administrators or club fail to pay players wages this month, another 3 points will be struck off. If we could get back to previous season ticket levels, that income should cover the clubs bills for a couple of months. New owners will not be able to take over for at least 2 months, so this injection of cash would be essential to the running of the club until new owners could inject capital. The administrators or club can't raise money through  player sales until January, so there will be no quick fix that way.

Rooney took sole charge of the team before the Wycombe match, which is when you need to judge him. Before that he was part of a 4 man committee and playing for the team at the time.
Before the Wycombe game we were bottom and 6 points plus goal difference from safety, with points per game total of less than half, which mean't that we were on course for a grand total of 21 points, less than half of we got.

Rooney took sole charge of the team before the Wycombe match, which is when you need to judge him. Before that he was part of a 4 man committee and playing for the team at the time.
Before the Wycombe game we were bottom and 6 points plus goal difference from safety, with points per game total of less than half, which mean't that we were on course for a grand total of 21 points, less than half of we got.

Start the season when Rooney took over and we had a decent season also, unlike his predecessors, Rooney hasn't been able to spend 1 penny in transfer fees. I can't think of many people who would have been able to attract the likes of Davies, Stearman, Jagielka and Morrison to Derby on the wage restrictions that we are currently under.

Start the season when Rooney took over and we had a decent season also, unlike his predecessors, Rooney hasn't been able to spend 1 penny in transfer fees. I can't think of many people who would have been able to attract the likes of Davies, Stearman, Jagielka and Morrison to Derby on the wage restrictions that we are currently under.

Start the season when Rooney took over and we had a decent season also, unlike his predecessors, Rooney hasn't been able to spend 1 penny in transfer fees. I can't think of many people who would have been able to attract the likes of Davies, Stearman, Jagielka and Morrison to Derby on the wage restrictions that we are currently under.

Start the season when Rooney took over and we had a decent season also, unlike his predecessors, Rooney hasn't been able to spend 1 penny in transfer fees. I can't think of many people who would have been able to attract the likes of Davies, Stearman, Jagielka and Morrison to Derby on the wage restrictions that we are currently under.

It's probably true, the covid losses of £20M are the straw that broke the camel's back.
Put it like this, of you had given the club a sudden cash injection of £20M last, do you think that we'd still be going into administration at this time?
You could also say, if we hadn't have bought Butterfield and Johnson and was given that money back, would we be going into administration?
Non of these issues are solely to blame, but together, they all add up.

Yes, it is correct what he said about player values dropping mainly in the last year of their contract and I don't see that it is illegal to do the amortisation in this way. Derby used this method in the belief that when the final year of these players' contracts were due, we would be in the premier league and then it wouldn't matter,  one of a number of gambles which didn't pay off. 
He also tried to justify Lampard's team's wages by saying that Rowett's compensation nearly covered their first season costs, but they were on 3 year contracts, how would we have covered the other 2 years?
Ultimately, he is responsible for what has happened to the club, he has taken gambles which haven't paid off. He and Derby have been unlucky on a number of occasions over the years with a number of events contributing to the current situation. Who knows, had Zamora not scored that goal, Hughes and Bryson got injured, Newcastle, Stoke and Chelsea not sacked their managers, EFL deciding our amortisation policy was wrong years later, EFL questioning the value of the ground, Lampard picking a different team against villa and finally the big one covid, we may have got away with it.
He probably thought that as it was his money, he was entitled to take the gamble. But unfortunately it isn't that simple and the reputation and status of the club are now in question.

Yes, it is correct what he said about player values dropping mainly in the last year of their contract and I don't see that it is illegal to do the amortisation in this way. Derby used this method in the belief that when the final year of these players' contracts were due, we would be in the premier league and then it wouldn't matter,  one of a number of gambles which didn't pay off. 
He also tried to justify Lampard's team's wages by saying that Rowett's compensation nearly covered their first season costs, but they were on 3 year contracts, how would we have covered the other 2 years?
Ultimately, he is responsible for what has happened to the club, he has taken gambles which haven't paid off. He and Derby have been unlucky on a number of occasions over the years with a number of events contributing to the current situation. Who knows, had Zamora not scored that goal, Hughes and Bryson got injured, Newcastle, Stoke and Chelsea not sacked their managers, EFL deciding our amortisation policy was wrong years later, EFL questioning the value of the ground, Lampard picking a different team against villa and finally the big one covid, we may have got away with it.
He probably thought that as it was his money, he was entitled to take the gamble. But unfortunately it isn't that simple and the reputation and status of the club are now in question.

Yes, it is correct what he said about player values dropping mainly in the last year of their contract and I don't see that it is illegal to do the amortisation in this way. Derby used this method in the belief that when the final year of these players' contracts were due, we would be in the premier league and then it wouldn't matter,  one of a number of gambles which didn't pay off. 
He also tried to justify Lampard's team's wages by saying that Rowett's compensation nearly covered their first season costs, but they were on 3 year contracts, how would we have covered the other 2 years?
Ultimately, he is responsible for what has happened to the club, he has taken gambles which haven't paid off. He and Derby have been unlucky on a number of occasions over the years with a number of events contributing to the current situation. Who knows, had Zamora not scored that goal, Hughes and Bryson got injured, Newcastle, Stoke and Chelsea not sacked their managers, EFL deciding our amortisation policy was wrong years later, EFL questioning the value of the ground, Lampard picking a different team against villa and finally the big one covid, we may have got away with it.
He probably thought that as it was his money, he was entitled to take the gamble. But unfortunately it isn't that simple and the reputation and status of the club are now in question.

My problem is simple. I agreed with the decisions made and thought that all of the managers were good signings. Should have beaten QPR, Hull and we played the wrong team against Villa. So many players were less good at Derby than I expected. In the end Mel splashed his cash big time and it did not work out. It has happened before and will happen again. Would have been. Could have been but probably not too much of should have been. Until last 18 months 6/10. Last 18 months, I will wait for revelations of what actually went on. Ultimately, a sort of apparent shambles. COYR

Why feel sorry for Wycombe, they were no where near the championship whilst this was going on?

Bobby Robson had a higher win % than our Dave Mackay in 1974/75, but I seem to remember seeing us get the 1st division trophy on that sunny afternoon before the Carlisle match.

Bobby Robson had a higher win % than our Dave Mackay in 1974/75, but I seem to remember seeing us get the 1st division trophy on that sunny afternoon before the Carlisle match.

Surely, we don't have to play one way or another, can't we mix it up a bit?
Last night, there were a few opportunities for Roos to play the ball short to a defender, who wasn't under pressure. By mixing it up during a game, you don't let the opposition settle into a pattern of play.