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What is the point of this post?
There’s not a word or theory that’s not been done to death on many different threads. 
If you already got it if your chest on Facebook why bother posting on here other than you don’t read this forum very much and have missed this place tear itself inside out in recent weeks.

 

Oh look, another "super fan", far superior us mere mortal season ticket holders.
Dave.

I might be being naive here but how can the club come out and confirm anything just yet when they:
1. Don't know the outcome of the EFL appeal (which is the reason behind the delay in accounts, already confirmed by Stephen Pearce)
2. Don't know whether or not the takeover is going through
3. Don't know the final outcome of the Keogh appeal and any compo we may have to pay
4. We don't know which league we will be in next year which impact the finances either way
 

Sometimes it is better to say nothing than feed platitudes because a small self-appointed group think they should. 

It this based on anything other than just senior officer at Derby not wanting a chat?

He is turning into Donald trump because he dared to call out some hack on possibly the worst “newspaper” ever..!? Fair play to him I say. 

I still think there’s we just let this carry on and see how it plays out.  Interesting that in both the mail and telegraph articles there’s no comment from the club.  I think phrases like “possible insolvency” are quite inflammatory.  It’s possible we could be in PL champions in 3 seasons, it’s not very probable though.
The only people who really know are Mel, Erik and those at the EFL assessing the bid.  The fact that they’re taking their time is a good thing - it’s being thought through to get the right answer.
I hope Rooney uses all this negativity of the last day or two to create a siege mentality.  But whatever happens tomorrow, whatever division we’re in, we’re still a big club at either level.  We’ll still be an attractive proposition for any future buyer and manager!!

And equally is too early to call out Mel Morris if this takeover doesn’t happen. Everything everyone says is he’s a man of integrity, he’s massively pro-Derby as a city and bought the football club to try and do something with it. I still can’t believe he would plunge us into administration causing himself problems with his other businesses but also completely ruining his reputation. If he did then he would be another Karl Oyston but I don’t think he is.

His family are wealthy wine producers with vineyards in the Rioja region (ie “old” money).
Also Simon Jordan cited EA as a “man of considerable means”. Whilst we might not embrace his pugnacious style, he is a relatively young man from a boxing culture. 
 
Who would like the Daily Mail poking their nose into private financial dealings and in a cynical way? Is there a public interest motive? Not really. It’s tabloid journalism really. 
 
Just re-dressing the balance ...jury still out. EA will look a proper Charlie if he can’t back up his words indeed but still too soon to call him out. 
 

I can't imagine the money brings him much comfort for his ill health but presumably as he has plenty left we shouldn't be happy that he put all that money in? 
Derby weren't exactly in a great state when he took over, and while I'm sure he could have done things differently if he had run the club as you suggest no doubt all those that claim he should 'put his hands in his pocket' and buy us players would have been even more out in force.
Did he hire the wrong managers, with hindsight yes, but at the time they all seemed like worthy appointments perhaps with the exception of Rooney although it very nearly worked to perfection with Lampard so why not think lightning might strike twice?
It's funny how time makes so many forget and look back with hindsight claiming that they knew this was coming.... 
Most fans were happy when we were throwing money around, now he should have been more prudent, you can't have it both ways 
Mel gambled, rightly or wrongly that we would get to the prem, it failed and now we are paying the price, but you know what, we've been relegated before, as have much bigger clubs than us that are now back on the prem, so while I wouldn't welcome it, and while it would obviously be financially impactful..... If it happens I will still support my club, my team.
 

I think he originally was of the opinion that he wanted it to go to someone he felt would love the club like he did as a fan...
As time has gone on, his health has deteriorated and absolutely as you've said he's seen that even 200m of his own money doesn't garner you anything but hate and vitriol he probable changed his mind and thought screw it... I just want rid...
Why should he care about the fans now when they have so clearly demonstrated they have nothing but contempt for him?
 

I'd reply with, what the hell has it got to do with you? This is part of the problem nowadays, these journos think they are entitled.... Maybe we should ask Craig how much he gets paid per article, where is his bank account, what are his sources, 
 
Turnabout is fair game surely?

100% the club is a mess - but they always report the extremes.
It was always going to be highly unlikely, but they lead with 21 point deduction and made it sound like a certainty. You don't see the headlines from the Mail anywhere else.

Certainly "convenient" timing isn't it!

I’m not sure I’m convinced about the criticism for the second goal.
Some say his positioning was bad but, it’s not as if he had plenty of time to chose where to stand and, if he’d been further over to cover the near post it would have left a gaping hole for the rest of the goal.
Maybe he could have got a stronger hand to it and blocked the shot but, it came at him pretty quickly and I suspect many keepers would have conceded from that position.
 

Lampard, Cocu and Rooney? What have they all said? 
I missed all of those comments.

Was leafing through Telegraph Sport section for Percy’s article and saw the headline 
El Drama adds to Derby quandary 
. . . but it turned out to be about horse racing. 

Certainly "convenient" timing isn't it!

Okay, I don't know what to believe on the latest Erik Alonso story, but I do know one thing - he is right that the only thing the club should be concentrating on today is the game tomorrow. 
However, it totally suits the Daily Mail agenda to run as much poo on us as possible to try to derail the club further.

You can make up a lie which is very specific - In fact common wisdom suggests that the more intricate and convenient the detail the more likely it's a lie
The Mail are more interested in selling newspapers / driving clickbait than they are reporting the truth - Jordan doesn't have that necessity
That said - I also don't know who to believe
The worst allegation people seem to be able to throw at Alonso seems to be that he's trying to re-finance the ground in order to buy players instead (take on the debt himself so the club has money for players) and then use Derby as a breeding / showcasing ground for talent he can sell on (the Brentford approach which so many seem to like) - He'd need us to stay in the championship at a minimum for that plan to work and (preferably for him) the Prem 

Question is who are the Daily Mail’s sources? This could be the American consortium stirring the pot trying to undermine his deal? That would be plausible if as believed Sam Rush is involved in that. Could be Gadsby for similar reasons? Hell it could even be Chansiri!!!
Im confident the EFL have got this and if he doesn’t pass the test then he doesn’t buy the club. IF that’s happens, then there can real serious questions about Mel’s intentions and judgement here, especially if the reports are correct there is a credible consortium in the background. 

We did win 6 out of 8 early on in his tenure, but since the injury to Bielik we've gone into an absolute tailspin!