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Cant. Window’s closed mate.

Ah, my name is Mr Sirrom. 

Totally gutted for him.
Spent all day team building and had a small sherry to unwind.  Didn't want to go home early because he is club captain so it's important he was there all night.  Then got in a nice big safe 4×4  car with someone who clearly wouldn't be daft enough have had a drink in the cavernous Joiners Arms where he hadn't even bumped into him never mind noticed what he was drinking. The sherry went to his head so he can't recall if he got his seatbelt on but suddenly he was trapped a car and bravely decided to walk home on his damaged leg to save any embarrassment to the club. 
Legend.  Hero.
 

I agree - the ESL could actually save traditional football... the basis of it (only a select few clubs able to compete at the highest level) is pretty much here already given the structure and revenues of the PL and EFL. European soccer (and its beginning with the Prem) is trending towards US sports with a top division that never changes, and feeder clubs from below. This is what the execs from the top PL clubs want as it keeps their revenue streams constant and has very little risk. If it doesn't happen explicitly, it'll continue implicitly, encouraging wealthy benefactors to roll the dice with their club's future. 
Small clubs cannot compete at the upper echelons of the PL consistently without a) a large, global fan base (see Man Utd, Liverpool) which generates huge revenues, or b) incredibly wealthy benefactors who want to use it to improve their image (see Man City, Chelsea). 
There are so many problems with football today. Transfer fees are a crazy concept, agents fees even more so. TV money drives revenues but is negotiated in a vacuum, with EFL TV negotiations seemingly a take what you're given exercise. Wages are completely skewed at the top of the game and set unrealistic expectations across the rest. Academies strip talent from smaller clubs for a pittance of what those players will be worth in the future. Corruption is rife (see UEFA, FIFA, match fixing... and you don't think it happens at the smaller less public bodies????). Local fans in the stadium are no longer the most important thing big club owners need to look after. Its those who sit in front of tellies from across the Atlantic who have a fantasy team to manage. 
 

I agree - the ESL could actually save traditional football... the basis of it (only a select few clubs able to compete at the highest level) is pretty much here already given the structure and revenues of the PL and EFL. European soccer (and its beginning with the Prem) is trending towards US sports with a top division that never changes, and feeder clubs from below. This is what the execs from the top PL clubs want as it keeps their revenue streams constant and has very little risk. If it doesn't happen explicitly, it'll continue implicitly, encouraging wealthy benefactors to roll the dice with their club's future. 
Small clubs cannot compete at the upper echelons of the PL consistently without a) a large, global fan base (see Man Utd, Liverpool) which generates huge revenues, or b) incredibly wealthy benefactors who want to use it to improve their image (see Man City, Chelsea). 
There are so many problems with football today. Transfer fees are a crazy concept, agents fees even more so. TV money drives revenues but is negotiated in a vacuum, with EFL TV negotiations seemingly a take what you're given exercise. Wages are completely skewed at the top of the game and set unrealistic expectations across the rest. Academies strip talent from smaller clubs for a pittance of what those players will be worth in the future. Corruption is rife (see UEFA, FIFA, match fixing... and you don't think it happens at the smaller less public bodies????). Local fans in the stadium are no longer the most important thing big club owners need to look after. Its those who sit in front of tellies from across the Atlantic who have a fantasy team to manage. 
 

Is your point that in the 'real world', someone who has spent a fortune on a football club, saddled it with huge debts and completely unsustainable wages, who then finds out no one wants to buy that club, might one day decide to dump the club into administration and walk away if the EFL refuse him a loan to add to all the club's other debts? Even if he told the fans who cared deeply about his club that he'd protect it, and explicitly said he wouldn't walk away until he'd found a buyer?
Okay. Maybe that happens in the 'real world'. In which case what also happens in the 'real world' is that people like me judge people like him. With good reason. 
All the choices he made that put us here were his, all the reassurances he gave he chose to give. Or perhaps he wasn't living in the 'real world' when he did the reckless things he did, and gave the reassurances he wouldn't keep?
 

What's Sharp's beef with the Derby fans? No need to be such a tool at the end

What's Sharp's beef with the Derby fans? No need to be such a tool at the end

Exactly this, there was always a big chance we would lose today. We have showed at least a little fire and matched them until the sending off. Silly mistake in the final minute and a loss but let's keep behind the lads, on to the next game and let's keep the fight going!!

Why is Billy Sharp being a Gibson Bamford? What's the history?

Just remind me what Pearce was picking a salary up for ? Shouldn’t he have been bringing stuff to Morris’s attention ?
He should be the first out the door that %@&#. But poo rolls downhill doesn’t it ? It’ll be the low earners that go before him. ? 

I just hope it’s a consortium that buys us not just one person. Have a proper board made up who can challenge each other’s decisions. The one problem Mel had is he didn’t have a board to challenge him on his decisions. To say no we shouldn’t be doing this we should do that. Instead he had a yes man ceo finance supposedly guru who messed around with our amortisation and has got us crippled when instead of running along with it should have challenged Morris. If had been the case and Morris hadn’t of got a free reign I don’t think we would be in this mess. Instead Morris just did whatever he wanted and now we are in the doom

I guess this was the point of his rats nest of limited companies,  Gellaw this that and the other - carefully constructed to protect his personal fortune on the day that it all comes tumbling down
Ultimately, the club has not gone into administration because it has "run out of money", it's gone into administration because MM no longer wants to own it, but is trapped into continuing to own it because he can't find a buyer. And he can't find a buyer because he's got the club into an undesirable state
Administration is the coward's way out, instead of just admitting responsibility and fixing it
The only question to ask yourself is "why would anyone buy the club?"
If there was a way to turn it around from here and make money, then MM would be doing it
 
 

Isn't the stadium a community asset or something that protects it status?

Don't understand why people are just shooting this idea down. 
Raising sufficient funds to pay the debts is the big issue here, followed by addressing the most expensive outgoings. Governance etc. can be sorted with a common sense approach. 
I'm keen to support a fan owned model as much as I can. @LeedsCityRam do you have a view as to the roadmap needed over the next few weeks to get us in a position to do it?

Or they take the good PR of involving fans and being a trailblazing ownership model. Less cash and the good guys - win win

I'm starting to wonder whether that is really the aim or if the aim should be to have a sustainable club which plays good football week to week? 
Supporting a football club is unlike anything I can think of. It's tribal. It's a romance. It's a rollercoaster of emotions. It's the thing you have no control over yet yearn for it do the best it possibly can, and shout as loudly as you can to 'help' it do that. 
Ive got to the point that all I want is to be able watch Derby be competitive in the league it is in. Score goals. Play some good looking football. Show passion for badge. 
The current structure of the premier and English football League is so utterly broken that's its untenable to compete in the top league without a billionaire backer who wants to use it as a vanity project. This is now impacting the second tier to the point where it's getting to be the same. You can't compete without rolling the dice and spending above your means. 
As many others have said. Football as we know it is dying. The European Super League will go ahead at some point in the future as soon as fans realize the league pyramid we love isn't a pyramid at all and relegation will only impact those clubs who aren't being funded by billionaires.

Yes that makes sense, a separate thread for those interested - will need to be pinned I think but not sure how that works (if any mods can advise?)
Allows folk to express interest/throw ideas around & then off the back of that, can arrange a call to allocate roles/agree actions

Don't understand why people are just shooting this idea down. 
Raising sufficient funds to pay the debts is the big issue here, followed by addressing the most expensive outgoings. Governance etc. can be sorted with a common sense approach. 
I'm keen to support a fan owned model as much as I can. @LeedsCityRam do you have a view as to the roadmap needed over the next few weeks to get us in a position to do it?

Let's start with point one then - the 73 forum members who have said yes in the poll. 
Can we get a separate forum channel or something set up to get the discussions going?
Probably need to assign roles and get a call in asap to get the ball rolling.

Dont understand either.  It feels like its sort of now or never really. I am keen to support any fan ownership/funding. 

Don't understand why people are just shooting this idea down. 
Raising sufficient funds to pay the debts is the big issue here, followed by addressing the most expensive outgoings. Governance etc. can be sorted with a common sense approach. 
I'm keen to support a fan owned model as much as I can. @LeedsCityRam do you have a view as to the roadmap needed over the next few weeks to get us in a position to do it?

Don't understand why people are just shooting this idea down. 
Raising sufficient funds to pay the debts is the big issue here, followed by addressing the most expensive outgoings. Governance etc. can be sorted with a common sense approach. 
I'm keen to support a fan owned model as much as I can. @LeedsCityRam do you have a view as to the roadmap needed over the next few weeks to get us in a position to do it?

Don't understand why people are just shooting this idea down. 
Raising sufficient funds to pay the debts is the big issue here, followed by addressing the most expensive outgoings. Governance etc. can be sorted with a common sense approach. 
I'm keen to support a fan owned model as much as I can. @LeedsCityRam do you have a view as to the roadmap needed over the next few weeks to get us in a position to do it?

Don't understand why people are just shooting this idea down. 
Raising sufficient funds to pay the debts is the big issue here, followed by addressing the most expensive outgoings. Governance etc. can be sorted with a common sense approach. 
I'm keen to support a fan owned model as much as I can. @LeedsCityRam do you have a view as to the roadmap needed over the next few weeks to get us in a position to do it?