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I saw a clip of his missus claiming to be from a working class background, and David pushing her to answer "what car did your dad drive you to school in?" "it's not that simple, Er, Er". 
It's Rolls Royce. 

No need to hide who posted it, it was me. And I will apologise, I certainly didn't know I'd posted anything antisemitic. 
I find it hard not to make a comparison with the persecution of the Jews in the 30s, and the attacks on Palestinians now. Perversely, the people who were receiving the persecution now have a state apparatus doing the persecution of Palestinians, in the name of driving out Hamas. I mean, would we have said any different if the UK state had blown up whole catholic areas of Northern Ireland, with the intention of driving out the IRA? 
Of course the actions of the Israeli state aren't the actions of all Jews and I don't think anyone is suggesting they are, but can anyone deny there's horrible echoes here, with over a million people fleeing for their lives? It feels very wrong. 
There's a lot of support in the west for Israel and it's hard to say much negative without being cast as antisemitic. I don't believe I am, but perhaps I don't quite agree with the current definition of antisemitism. Offending posts have been removed and I'll try to be mindful of the guidelines as to the definition of antisemitism. Apologies if anyone took offence. 

No need to hide who posted it, it was me. And I will apologise, I certainly didn't know I'd posted anything antisemitic. 
I find it hard not to make a comparison with the persecution of the Jews in the 30s, and the attacks on Palestinians now. Perversely, the people who were receiving the persecution now have a state apparatus doing the persecution of Palestinians, in the name of driving out Hamas. I mean, would we have said any different if the UK state had blown up whole catholic areas of Northern Ireland, with the intention of driving out the IRA? 
Of course the actions of the Israeli state aren't the actions of all Jews and I don't think anyone is suggesting they are, but can anyone deny there's horrible echoes here, with over a million people fleeing for their lives? It feels very wrong. 
There's a lot of support in the west for Israel and it's hard to say much negative without being cast as antisemitic. I don't believe I am, but perhaps I don't quite agree with the current definition of antisemitism. Offending posts have been removed and I'll try to be mindful of the guidelines as to the definition of antisemitism. Apologies if anyone took offence. 

Religion is only part of it, though. You've got Jews who aren't religious, you've got Palestinians who just want their land returned. It's now more about nationalism than religion, much as the troubles in Northern Ireland are about catholic vs protestant, but very much about national identity and not really about religion. 
These lands were home for Arab Muslims and Jews for thousands of years. Colonisation is correct, but an aggressive colonisation by a hugely superior military. 

Religion is only part of it, though. You've got Jews who aren't religious, you've got Palestinians who just want their land returned. It's now more about nationalism than religion, much as the troubles in Northern Ireland are about catholic vs protestant, but very much about national identity and not really about religion. 
These lands were home for Arab Muslims and Jews for thousands of years. Colonisation is correct, but an aggressive colonisation by a hugely superior military. 

Israel were attacked? So they can indiscriminately dropped bombs on Palestinians? 
Israel attacked in 1967. Israel has broken the law over and over. It's excessive military operations have been noted by the UN. The raid on Jenin refugee camp was what, a week? before the festival attack. 
Their border continues to expand. They blockade the people of Gaza. 
Palestinians are not Hamas any more than East Ukrainians are Azov. 
Israel has hundreds of illegal settlements. Illegal even under Israeli law. 700,000 people live in illegal occupied land. UN recognises this as fact
The people of Gaza live in poverty. The unemployment is at 50%. They can't trade, they can't fish, they can't leave. Their skies are patrolled by Israeli fighter jets and their sea is patrolled by Israeli gun boats. They were given 24 hours to abandon their homes with nowhere to go. Leaving behind their dead and injured. 24 hours to evacuate elderly and children. Injured from Israeli assaults. All done with no water, power and very limited fuel.
In West Bank Palestinians face Israeli intimidation and military brutality on a regular basis. They lose their land and are driven back while Israeli settlers build towns. 
But yeah, it all began with a festival attack by terrorists....

The ideals of the Nazis and the ideals of Israeli Politicians is to exterminate...what I can only describe as an issue with a hated people in either a Political(Israel) sense or meg·alo·maniac(German)group of people.
There were 1000s of German people who hated the Nazis, The same with Israelis and Netanyahu and Palestinians with Hamas, Destroy your enemy before it destroys you...the trouble is it's the innocents that pay for Politicians decisions...as always😡   

I've split the above posts from the Ukraine thread. While there are some common themes I don't think it makes sense to be all in one thread. 
As always this thread will be monitored closely so, be excellent to each other (and party on, dudes). Failure to be excellent to each other will see the thread pulled. 

There was obviously no AI back then...
 

It is too complex for sides. The nuances are too numerous, the rights and wrongs too diffuse.

As a moderator you will be pleased to know that personally I believe this thread / topic just far too emotive and far to complicated to be dissected on a football forum ,
It is a s*** show and the death , cruelty and lack of humanity turns my stomach , like others I have taken an interest in how this has developed since the Second World War but I don’t know how this all ends , I have no intention of trying to debate it , my bet is this topic will slide quickly into side taking and or accusations of side taking ,, best of luck moderating it 

I've split the above posts from the Ukraine thread. While there are some common themes I don't think it makes sense to be all in one thread. 
As always this thread will be monitored closely so, be excellent to each other (and party on, dudes). Failure to be excellent to each other will see the thread pulled. 

I've split the above posts from the Ukraine thread. While there are some common themes I don't think it makes sense to be all in one thread. 
As always this thread will be monitored closely so, be excellent to each other (and party on, dudes). Failure to be excellent to each other will see the thread pulled. 

Just a raging narcissist, desperately trying to remain relevant long while past his sell by date.
Not keen on Ronaldo either.

I pooed in a Tesco bag for life downstairs so my new boyfriend wouldn’t hear me
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/24266770/mum-pooed-tesco-bag-hide-from-boyfriend/

I made my stand up debut last night at Rock Central Comedy Club. Just did a short set. It went well, but waiting to go on I thought I was going to lose control  of all my bodily functions.
The headline act was Andy White who has been on Live at the Apollo. Pretty good.
 

You're not wrong, but while fans continue to demand perpetual success at any cost, the problem won't go away. 

I saw a clip of his missus claiming to be from a working class background, and David pushing her to answer "what car did your dad drive you to school in?" "it's not that simple, Er, Er". 
It's Rolls Royce. 

You're not wrong, but while fans continue to demand perpetual success at any cost, the problem won't go away. 

You're not wrong, but while fans continue to demand perpetual success at any cost, the problem won't go away. 

Saw something briefly about this, didn't her intestines come out or something?! I think a wedgie is the most mildest way of describing it imaginable.

Couple of times a year, I go to visit a relative in Herefordshire, and as I drive through Eardisley , I pass this road.
 

So the stars are like the mountains at the edge of Skyrim, just for decoration and you can't actually get there?