Rammeister

I'm quite concerned at some fans over-reaction to our first two results of the season.
"Yes, we nearly went out of business, blah, blah, blah" some say "but that doesn't excuse everything", but I do see the same old sense of entitlement many of our fans exhibit, thinking we're too big for this league.
We're NOT as this precise moment in our history. The rebuild won't be as quick as the Harry Enfield character shouting "28,000 crowds" in a "loadsamoney" fashion. 
We're under financial restrictions which non of us are privy to.
Just rein it in for now. Allow the manager and team to develop and work out the myriad challenges that we need to wade through this season to get us where we need to be.
Remember Cloughie's first games and our renaissance post Igor. Success doesn't come quickly or easily.
It's a graft. We've not started as we wanted. But it's just ONE league game. There's 20 odd pages discussing whether Warne is on borrowed time!
Reality check. Please!

@Owen87ITK may still be on his honeymoon.
Warne's honeymoon is certainly over.

Good point!
My money would be on this one.

indeed. Breaking News...today is Thursday

I read a couple of headlines from Derbyshire Live this morning:
"Nigel Clough wades in on Derby County struggles ahead of Crunch Clash"
"David Clowes sent Derby County transfer message by 'uber-paranoid' Paul Warne"
These are just sensationalist headlines for what purpose? Nigel Clough certainly didn't "wade" in and I am sure Paul Warne speaks with David Clowes on an almost daily basis and he is fully aware of Derby's requirements in the transfer window. 
Although in my 70s, I do try to keep up with technology as far as I can. I can't help but think that we are starting to live in a pretty toxic society, where many people want to voice their opinions about all sorts of topics and people on the Social Media. I have no problem with that per se, provided the opinions are based on fact or reasonable assumptions. I have no time for people who just seek sensationalism, winding people up or make hurtful, personal comments about others. I am happy for criticism of actual behaviour but not personal character assassination. Just imagine how you would feel if it was you who was the subject of these comments. You don't know the effect such comments can have on people -suicide, mental health issues or maybe just want a transfer away!
This Forum has voiced a few of those after the first couple of games of the season. There should be criticism of the team's and  individual's performances but please let's avoid personal, sensitive comments especially when these cannot be backed up with hard facts.
"Kane Wilson couldn't cross a road"  "scariest thing is we have bought two central defender who can't play football" "I guarantee Waghorn would have missed Wigan's first goal" "can stick his f****** why all up his arse" "Bird is more sparrow than golden eagle. An exhibition player not willing to break sweat. I'll drive him to Hull myself" "We've got a pub team manager in charge of a jugganaught" "Bradley has the mobility of a superglued traffic cone"
These were from just 2 posts on the Forum.
I'm not a prude but can we just think about what we are writing about and to other individuals. Hopefully, we all want all our players and staff to bring success to the Club - so lets show our support. 

Last season we came close
 
Close to playoffs
Close to top 2? Questionably. Had we been able to hold onto leads we would have gone up.
Warne sacked? After two games this season. Get real guys some of these threads just show the entitlement culture of current UK society. It’s going to be a hard slog to get promoted following administration. No matter what division you’ve just come down from.
 
defensively we’ve always been frail. I can’t remember many seasons where I was confident we’d not concede when noses in front. Even in promotion seasons. 
 
I know we need goals, but we also need to stop gifting chances to the opposition. 
 
 

I like Paul Warne and his staff, as people. 
 
From what I can tell, they're a decent, honest and principled bunch. 
 
I believe that's what attracted David Clowes to them in the first instance, alongside their record of success in League One. 
 
I'll also add that they saw those principles reflected in David Clowes, hence their decision to come on board.
 
From the start it was referenced by all parties the entire ethos of the club needed changing, and rebuilding work was needed from top to bottom, which is not the work of a moment, or indeed a few months. 
 
The backroom staff had been hollowed out to the bare minimum, across multiple departments. 
 
A review of the remaining staff saw several leave, and a new round of recruitment has taken place, building the club back up to operating strength across the board, from the casual staff,offices and the football support and academy roles, a process that is still ongoing.
 
That's not a normal issue that an incoming manager has to grapple with, rebuilding the back room to what it should be, while ensuring his requirements are met. We've seen a level of churn across the Academy management in that time, which must have demanded Warnes attention at various stages, in addition to the normal commitments management brings.
 
We've an owner learning about operating a football club, having taken over in sheer desperation, leaning on the manager he's appointed I presume, there seems to be no other football experts within his team we know of.
 
None of this is normal for a first team football manager, especially in his first job away from a much smaller club with different expectations, so mistakes and stumbles will inevitably happen. 

 
We got close enough last season that there were few grumbles about his position, yet after only two games, one in the league, there's a sizable minority calling for change, and a notable shift in how he's perceived. 
 
I'm not a natural defender of Warne, but will stand up for his work so far.
 
 I'm a self confessed football snob, and don't see him as the man to lead us back to the promised land of the Premier League, probably based around pre conceptions of his football philosophy rather than any evidence, but he's Clowes choice to launch that journey, and some of the criticism on here recently is well out of kilter with the job he's done so far.



 

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

No- definitely not you!!- just following on from your crowd point. 🙂

It’s absolutely crazy, I’ve tried staying off twitter and just check this for transfer updated but I can’t actually believe the over reaction that’s happening, we’ve lost to Wigan after having the most attempts in the league, on another day we win tht game, we’ve lost a league cup game because of a mistake, first half way poor etc but we are literally 2 games in, the reaction is like we’re 15 games in having only won once, it’s mental, the team are gelling we are still 2/3 short give it bloody time, if in November/December time we aren’t any better then ask questions, this is the biggest over reaction I’ve seen for a long time, calm down 

To suggest PW is on borrowed time is ridiculous.  We’ve had 1 league game and 1 cup game, arguably lost them to mistakes.  On Saturday, if we get the pen early on and score it’s probably a very different outcome.  PW will be, and should be, given time.  At the end of last season the majority were saying give PW a full pre-season, at least 1 full transfer window and 10 or so games to judge.  We’ve had 1 league game and the transfer window is still open.
On Sky they’ve been talking to Ben Robinson and Nigel Clough ahead of the Burton v Leicester game.  After Ben said Nigel was their best manager they asked Nigel why that was.  His answer was pretty simple, he was allowed to get on with the job, wasn’t looking over his shoulder and knew if he lost 3 or 4 games on the bounce his job wasn’t at risk.  Some people need to think about that as I think that’s what we need, and it’s what DC will do.
And before I get we’re bigger than Burton, etc, we’re in the same league and no-one has a divine right to promotion.  But the message is simple, stick by your manager in the short term to prosper in the long term.

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

Ask Bird what division he wants to be playing in, and if he wants his wages improving. Hull is far from exciting but it's years ahead of us at  present and a step in the right direction for his career.
 
Couldn't care less about style, if its effective in this division, and 3 times so far it has been, then its fine by me. Sure we'd all like free flowing footy and dazzling skills, but you don't get that down here, you get half decent players with missing attributes to become top players, therefore you play to strengths and if those strengths are pinging it up the pitch quickly and crossing to a target man then fine as long as it is successful. At least I can see a plan with the signings, its just a shame that big man has so far eluded us. What is disappointing is getting next to none of the Bielik/Knight money to reinvest.
Thinking that Derby are above this league, have the best players, and don't have to do anything but turn up to win is most likely what has cost us in the past few games. It was fine to an extent when we had individual match winners, look at Mac's time here, if it wasn't going great someone like Ince, Ibe, Bryson, Russell, Martin, Bent or whoever could have a storming match and win/turn a game pretty much on their own, you don't get so many at a lower level and whe you aren't throwing money around - last season we had McGoldrick and Mendez-Laing for that, maybe occasionally Hourihane and Dobbin. This season we still have 2 of them, who will be the catalyst for a few games (if NML is played in any appropriate position) and I expect Washington and Ward will have matches that they are largely responsible for winning. To rely on a system with interchangable players seems far better than hoping someone has a 40 game purple patch.
With regards to the Championship, which is a long way off, there is no evidence Warne can or can't do it, only that he left Rotherham in a very good position last season. Every time previously he has been hamstrung by players leaving at the end of their contracts and lack of funds for improvements or a best replacements - the only thing it tells me is the championship is higher quality.
 

The crowd is a factor.  Shouting abuse at players never helps 

…especially when they ‘boo’.
Now to be clear, I don’t believe any manager should get a ‘free pass’ - and as Warne himself has said it’s a results business.
However, I do find it sad that the camaraderie between fans and players seems to be disappearing so quickly after the club nearly went bust. God knows that David Clowes must think - but I suspect the word ‘ungrateful’ has popped into his mind a few times.
I really believe no judgement can be made until around Christmas about how we are doing. If we win the next 10 games everyone will be happy. If we’d won the first 10 games and then lost two everyone would be happy.
 
We should try not to lose perspective just because it’s the start of the season and everyone now feels deflated due to their pre season optimism evaporating. What did we expect really? These players need to gel- we are still short up front and we lost our best player from last season. 
 
Give the club a chance, and if you’re booing don’t pile unnecessary pressure on the team. It won’t have the effect you’re hoping for!

The conclusion that it is Max Bird that Paul Warne referred to last night IMHO isn't really supported TBH. 

Who got taken off at half time? Which of them was from our squad from last season?? CH is the one that springs to mind, his links with Villa and an Acadamy coaching role was announced during the preseason and that is why CH would be my guess (and it’s exactly that)
So in conclusion the evidence suggest that PW’s comment of “his head has been turned” must be aimed towards CH.
The other 2 that got subbed on 45mins were this seasons signings, so I suppose they’re head or heads can’t have been turned already, I wouldn’t have thought.
It goes without saying though, anyone who doesn’t want to be here should be transferred out from our club ASAP and possibly replaced by someone that does want to be here, no matter their position within the club or whomever the individual is.

I think ,unfortunately there have been people who did not want him from day 1-no real idea why but after any downturn in form/performance and bad results they will immediately hit the keyboard and generate /stir up anti Warne comment.A few are saying the jobs too big for him -why he has proved on three occasions he has the credentials -the thing different here is the expectations and lack of patience by some of the supporters who believe we are a bigger club than we probably are. Shouldn't a big club get more than 7000 for a competitive game.? 
We do need more players and im sure they are working behind the scenes to attract them but in the situation we are we may have to accept that the quality of player we would like doesn't want to drop down to League 1 or agree to our cash offers.
What dissapointed me last night was the lack of energy and chasing down which has been a positive since his appointment I hope nothing has gone on within the dressing room as i do think once the players are in the roles and playing the way he wants we will be ok.
Still 135 points to play for-probably 90 should see you go up this year so a long way to go-there will almost certainly be a meltdown in some quarters for each of the 45 points dropped.

Good point!
My money would be on this one.

Will he double down on his 3 at the back, and will he play these players who are 'distracted' by other clubs. I'd like to know what is going on in his head this morning. He is probably thinking what hat should I wear to lift the mood.