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We were probably in line to do even more cutting had Rowett stayed. Letting Lampard roll the dice again was a gamble too far and just made the next season a more serious cutback.

We were probably in line to do even more cutting had Rowett stayed. Letting Lampard roll the dice again was a gamble too far and just made the next season a more serious cutback.

Always liked Cliff, bit of a ledge.

Always liked Cliff, bit of a ledge.

The defender only tries to get the ball because of the striker. He can't know if it is offside or not. As soon as the striker moves towards the ball he is interfering with play. Any touch is minimal. You don't award a goal to the player who deflects a shot that is on target anyway when going in. That pass barely changed direction or speed.
Rules are rubbish.

It is a gamble...again. And gambling is part of why we are in this mess. Sure, we could get our deduction reduced, but if that result doesn't happen until after January, the fire sale will have happened.
I can't see anyone willing to take over the club until they know our points deduction. If we are allowing a potential buyer to fund this appeal and it fails, if they then back out...back to square one and more time and potentially jobs have been lost. 

Anyone else beyond tired and bored of this? The best interests are to accept whatever points deduction we get and move on. We will finally know where we stand and we can think about trying to move forward. Appeal this, appeal that, just allows the efl to keep slowly screwing us over. 

Anyone else beyond tired and bored of this? The best interests are to accept whatever points deduction we get and move on. We will finally know where we stand and we can think about trying to move forward. Appeal this, appeal that, just allows the efl to keep slowly screwing us over. 

Anyone else beyond tired and bored of this? The best interests are to accept whatever points deduction we get and move on. We will finally know where we stand and we can think about trying to move forward. Appeal this, appeal that, just allows the efl to keep slowly screwing us over. 

Anyone else beyond tired and bored of this? The best interests are to accept whatever points deduction we get and move on. We will finally know where we stand and we can think about trying to move forward. Appeal this, appeal that, just allows the efl to keep slowly screwing us over. 

Anyone else beyond tired and bored of this? The best interests are to accept whatever points deduction we get and move on. We will finally know where we stand and we can think about trying to move forward. Appeal this, appeal that, just allows the efl to keep slowly screwing us over. 

They have us in a corner. Any appeal costs two things, time and money, which just happen to be two luxuries we don't have. I don't believe it helps us one bit to still be bickering with the efl come January. 

Anyone else beyond tired and bored of this? The best interests are to accept whatever points deduction we get and move on. We will finally know where we stand and we can think about trying to move forward. Appeal this, appeal that, just allows the efl to keep slowly screwing us over. 

Keogh and Mel are made for each other. They were thick as thieves back in the day. Sums up the whole rotten nature of the club. Zero responsibility. 
What a big massive clown.

And finally when we do decide to use him again and a manager wants him, we can't/ won't afford his new deal. Once again shafting ourselves.

I agree with a lot of that but have a few issues.
One of my long standing issues under the reign of Mel has been a lack of responsibility running through the club. Managers have taken the fall but the players barely seemed to be held accountable for their performances. An air of arrogance ran through the club. Joiners gate exposed it all. By the time Mel learnt, he had already started to pull the plug. His recent interview just highlights this issue. This ethos had to run from top to bottom, never did. Someone I know who had his sources, frequently told me it was a doddle working at Derby. 
 

He has played alongside most of these players at some point in his career.
As a player I don't believe he was someone who ever wanted to let his teammates down.  Right now that is the attitude we need. 
I don't believe he remotely did himself justice as a player last season, not too much better at management. But he strikes me now as man who wants to put that right. He is in the trenches with his players, seems to me they will fight for each other. They sure as hell have to because the man at the top has dropped them in the crap and ran.
Personally, I have decided that last season was not a true reflection of the managers, nor most of the players. They all could have done better. Whilst Mel slowly pulled the plug and checked out, Cocu and now Rooney have represented the club with honour and class. Rooney’s interview pre Stoke was a real sign of anger, care and dignity.

He has played alongside most of these players at some point in his career.
As a player I don't believe he was someone who ever wanted to let his teammates down.  Right now that is the attitude we need. 
I don't believe he remotely did himself justice as a player last season, not too much better at management. But he strikes me now as man who wants to put that right. He is in the trenches with his players, seems to me they will fight for each other. They sure as hell have to because the man at the top has dropped them in the crap and ran.
Personally, I have decided that last season was not a true reflection of the managers, nor most of the players. They all could have done better. Whilst Mel slowly pulled the plug and checked out, Cocu and now Rooney have represented the club with honour and class. Rooney’s interview pre Stoke was a real sign of anger, care and dignity.

He has played alongside most of these players at some point in his career.
As a player I don't believe he was someone who ever wanted to let his teammates down.  Right now that is the attitude we need. 
I don't believe he remotely did himself justice as a player last season, not too much better at management. But he strikes me now as man who wants to put that right. He is in the trenches with his players, seems to me they will fight for each other. They sure as hell have to because the man at the top has dropped them in the crap and ran.
Personally, I have decided that last season was not a true reflection of the managers, nor most of the players. They all could have done better. Whilst Mel slowly pulled the plug and checked out, Cocu and now Rooney have represented the club with honour and class. Rooney’s interview pre Stoke was a real sign of anger, care and dignity.

He has played alongside most of these players at some point in his career.
As a player I don't believe he was someone who ever wanted to let his teammates down.  Right now that is the attitude we need. 
I don't believe he remotely did himself justice as a player last season, not too much better at management. But he strikes me now as man who wants to put that right. He is in the trenches with his players, seems to me they will fight for each other. They sure as hell have to because the man at the top has dropped them in the crap and ran.
Personally, I have decided that last season was not a true reflection of the managers, nor most of the players. They all could have done better. Whilst Mel slowly pulled the plug and checked out, Cocu and now Rooney have represented the club with honour and class. Rooney’s interview pre Stoke was a real sign of anger, care and dignity.

He has played alongside most of these players at some point in his career.
As a player I don't believe he was someone who ever wanted to let his teammates down.  Right now that is the attitude we need. 
I don't believe he remotely did himself justice as a player last season, not too much better at management. But he strikes me now as man who wants to put that right. He is in the trenches with his players, seems to me they will fight for each other. They sure as hell have to because the man at the top has dropped them in the crap and ran.
Personally, I have decided that last season was not a true reflection of the managers, nor most of the players. They all could have done better. Whilst Mel slowly pulled the plug and checked out, Cocu and now Rooney have represented the club with honour and class. Rooney’s interview pre Stoke was a real sign of anger, care and dignity.

Similar stats to West Brom only on Tuesday...

Bielik was injured under ‘my boy’ Cocu.
I’m not even criticising Rooney. 
I’m defending Cocu when people say Rooney has had it much harder, or any other criticism that has gone his way.
The comments re Rooney are simply because people are comparing them both.
I’ll stick up for Cocu all day long as I genuinely liked the guy. Yeah, the football at times wasn’t great, but he’s the only manager we’ve had since Nigel Clough that has put Derby first before personal ambition.

We need to go back to how we played in the first few games. Yesterday, whilst brave, has to be a one off.
 

But did you not see how 'easy' it was to sign Gregory and we ended up with no-one, CKR fell into our lap!