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1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Quote from Somn Jordon from Talk Sport

"It is in the League's rules, there is a parameter to be able to accept fines or points' penalties if you are more prepared to not go through appeal processes. So this is a matter of fact, they are going to get a points sanction."

Asked why the EFL does not just apply that sanction, Jordan replied: "Because if they apply it, then they (Derby) will appeal it. If they can get them to agree it, then there is no appeal.

"If they automatically apply the sanction, Derby go 'we'll appeal it', back into the long grass it goes for another year. If they can get an agreement between the League and the club, saying this is what we are going to do. That is what they are negotiating."

 

fines or points, they will suggest a penalty which may not be points and we have 14 days to accept.  The wording stating there is no timetable indicates they haven't issued a letter yet.  Jordan is very fallible

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

Because not all of the 'mess' is our fault and they might find their club has a run-in with the EFL over something similiar.

covid P&S rules mean that his sort of stuff has been kicked 12 months down the road.  I don't share your view that our competitors have so much sympathy for our predicament that they will get involved.  We are just a club that they hope will take up one of the relegation spots

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I have purchased membership that will allow me to watch extended highlights.  How long after the game are these usually made available?

4 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Think of all the other clubs who cheated but got away with it because they got promoted, and how angry and insignificant that would make the EFL feel. It feels like the EFL are unleashing all that anger on us because we're the one club they've managed to hold on to.

we couldn't even cheat properly

Just now, Dean (hick) Saunders said:

Some (little clubs + boro) will, but not all.

seems a deathly quiet in that case they all must be whispering very very quietly

6 minutes ago, Eatonram said:

I think this is spot on. It's blackmail by any other name. No conclusion until you accept our way, until you accept our way the embargo continues because we haven't reached a conclusion, reaching a conclusion has no timescale...........Surely there comes a point where other fair minded Club Chairmen speak out.

why?  They must be reading this with glee

21 minutes ago, angieram said:

That's a really good point and seems to reinforce the opinion some of us hold that the EFL are being malicious in the way they are treating us. 

My guess is that they are telling the club that if we want to get it concluded sooner, we should take the points deduction that's on offer.

I think they issued this to suppress the tabloid assertion f the points penalty

8 minutes ago, Nookiebear1 said:

It was an odd story. To fight it for 2 years nearly to then accept 12 points 9 now and 3 in the bank. 

Even if we dont accept it and it goes to the commission i cant see it being any more. In fact itll probably be more like 6. Which i could cope with ? perhaps thats the case Derby are putting forward and if they offer 6 we will accept. Obviously all conjecture tho

not just that.

the club having adopted a unique amortisation policy that they claim gives them no advantage, why do it then?

34 minutes ago, brady1993 said:

I think it's something along the lines of with the change to ammortisation we would have perhaps gone over a few years ago but the EFL signed off on at the time and so the club were acting under the impression they were ok. If the club thought they were going to fall foul of it at the time they would have time and options to react to it and bring us back in line. Perhaps mixed in with the club proposing a different ammortisation policy than the one we've used previously and the EFL insisting on straight line.

the EFL don't sign off on accounts or summaries, read DC2

12 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

It just needs Bird, Watson, Morrison (or even Fozzie) to thread nice balls through to the likes of Baldock, Joz, Lawrence, Sibley, Ebosele for us to score. The guys up front have little chance to score if their supply line is Roos, or Shinnie and Knight 

sounds so simple, why the hell aren't we doing this, I demand an answer from the club

5 minutes ago, ramboy63 said:

No i think its doable even if we get a 9 point penalty we should still be good enough to get say 55/56 points this season although Sheff Wed did not manage it with 6 point deduction,agree with the previous comment though we dont and dont look like scoring more than one goal a game at best.To be honest we should of excepted our punishment weeks ago so the embargo would of been lifted which would of given Rooney a little bit more wiggle room in terms of new players

I think we are in a relegation battle before any penalty.  We will have to find an additional, in effect, worthless wins to get back to where we are now.  Every win is essential to us, we can't score goals consistently enough to consider that we can cope with this points penalty

1 hour ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said:

Presumably it is probably got a bit more complex with Reading also failing P&S* so the points punishment has to make sense in both clubs (probably also Brum and S.Wed as well due to their past penalties).

*Assuming here that we have actually failed FFP. Still about as clear as a pint of Scroggins Best Mild.

This is what I understand

"Clubs will now report on a four-year period that covers 2017/18-2020/21 instead of three years 2017/18-2019/20.

"The financial years 2019/20 and 2020/21 will be assessed together with the total Adjusted Earning Before Tax from both periods averaged into one reporting period."

if that is the case, Reading will remain under  soft embargo until they can prove that next years accounts will not breach the new 4 year assessment.  Very lucky

5 hours ago, r_wilcockson said:

A few people have been taking from the published articles (mainly BBC) that our 2016-18 accounts are actually probably OK, but it's the yet to be submitted 2019-20 accounts which are the problem. If we have failed in those years and deserve to be punished then fair enough. What I don't get in all this though is that Reading are currently under a soft embargo due to breaking P&S, where's their points deduction? 

Due to Covid the current 3 year period includes an average of y3 and y4.  Y4 has not been completed yet

12 hours ago, richinspain said:

I don't think an international tv package gives you the extended highlights, unless you've taken out a membership package as well?

I have bought the membership package this time around

16 hours ago, Derby blood said:

Back by popular demand. 

After a hard fought point against WBA, now we turn our attentions to Stoke at home on Saturday, if we show the same heart, and a little bit more care in front of goal i believe we will win this 2-0, goals from Jozwiak and Lawrence, 3 points on saturday, could give this team a real confidence boost. 

Less effort like the first time please??hopefully winner stays on

13 minutes ago, David said:

Thanks for this.

Interesting that the biggest rollocking the players have had was after the 2-1 win against Wycombe as the performance didn’t represent who he is.

Just like the fans, you have to accept defeat at times as you’re just not good enough on the day/night, but just walk off the pitch knowing you have given it your all. 

Other than that, again comes across as a quiet, private bloke, not interested in the fame, the brand, and whilst some will say you shouldn’t go into the game if you don’t want the fame, kinda find it sad that he has to mentally prepare himself just to go to a theme park. How people would queue up waiting for him for pictures whilst his kids are getting frustrated, even getting calls on his family days off.

He has been paid well over the years as “compensation” if you like for this, true, but it still just feels a bit sad, in and around the ground wearing the club gear yeah, but when you’re with your family, you have to respect that really.

Not that the media have any respect, the story he told where his sister in law was ill, pre warned and asked the photographers not to use flashes as it could trigger a seizure they didn’t give a poo and did it anyway, that’s just scummy, totally scummy.

I get this I also feel the claims that he undermined Cocu just to get the job extremely odd.  Yeh the multi million footballer with a worldwide brand gets here and thinks my god I must do everything to get this gig it is the best thing in football makes no sense to me.  Not sure what we have done to deserve his loyalty throughout the mess this club has become but he deserves credit at least for not abandoning us.

It’s the extended ones  I am waiting for

On 13/08/2021 at 08:37, SunnyRam said:

Extended highlights is for the membership package only. You will get the whole game with your subscription! 

Do you know ho long after the game do they become available?.

4 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

I guess we can look at it two ways.

If it’s a game we tried to win then we were absolutely awful. Zero shots on target, couldn’t get out our own half in the second period. Sam Johnstone literally had nothing to do other than a few routine goalkicks.

On the flip side, if it’s a game we looked to avoid defeat at all costs, then it was a brilliant backs-to-the-wall display. Kelle Roos outstanding.

Depends how we want to look at it I suppose.

I don’t see how we could have done much more. West Brom are vastly superior in terms of quality at their disposal. If we had tried to win and be open/expansive, we would almost certainly have lost.

A point gained. But it will mean little if we can’t follow it up with a home win as so far we have been underwhelming at Pride Park.

are you not aware of our predicament?  this is a relegation battle season, very point is valuable and you get no points for style

Just now, Taribo said:

Average number of points to be crowned champions: 94 points

Average number of points to reach play-offs: 74 points

Average number of points to avoid relegation: 47 points

At our current rate of 7 points from 7 games we're on course to finish on 46 (excluding any points deductions), just another 38 nil-nils and a sneaky 1-0 somewhere and we'll be fine. 

 

what a relief, I was quite worried before your reassuring post?

2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

The club surely has to walk away from this and take a legal route. This stagnation is absolutely crazy. Enough is enough.

Do you think the court option will bring a speedy result?  Consider also that the result will be appealed, another year with 2 sets of fixtures.

19 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

in truth, if Mel had sacked Lawrence, Bennett AND Keogh, Keogh would not have won. And nor would the other two.

The club's position - having sacked Keogh alone - was untenable because it said Keogh was sacked for gross misconduct. But the other two were not sacked and their conduct was worse. And it was clear that it was beneficial financially to the club to sack Keogh alone 

as you know, the other 2 could complete their contracts.  Sacking all 3 would have resulted in losing 3 tribunals.  If they had received custodial sentences I think they would have been sacked.  Should not have offered Keo a soft contract to continue at a lesser cost, clear evidence that Mel was seeking to reduce costs.  Gross misconduct, is get of my business now, and never come back ever.  Here is your cardboard box with your belongings now pi55 off

3 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

So, imagine you’re Ravel Morrison. You have just made a bit of time for yourself via a trick or just good positioning and you look for attacking options.

Who will you see from the current squad who has made room for a pass?
 

somebody behind me?

2 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Don't wind Bob. BOB - DON'T WIND!!!

it's not a tug of war, now look what you've done. I'm not speaking to you now?

3 minutes ago, Gaspode said:

You absolutely don't - each individual's case has to be addressed independently. There were different actions, different outcomes and different consequences for the club and the individuals concerned.

Personally I'd have sacked all 3 if I'd been in Mel's shoes, but as it is now becoming clear, the club finances dictated that the players with any 'value' had to be retained in an attempt to recoup some value from their contracts, whereas a certain individual was unable to fulfil his footballing commitments (and at the time we all thought he'd probably ended his career).

we all knew this at the time and this probably a big reason why the tribunal rejected it.  That and suggesting he accepted a new reduced contract which looked like gaming the situation to reduce costs.  Gross misconduct is go away and never some back, trying to soften it undermines the charge