Srg Posted Wednesday at 07:00 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:00 All the talk about “he’s done what he’s needed to do” is fine, but there’s 3 counter points to that. Momentum. We have zero. The ability to actually play well. We haven’t shown it whatsoever with this team. Why are we suddenly going to flip a switch and start creating and scoring chances? Southgate. Showing he still hasn’t learnt and he remains overly cautious, odd selections and substitutions. YouRams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chellaston Ram Posted Wednesday at 07:02 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:02 As soon as Palmer and Gordon came on we played with pace and were more direct, that’s how we should have played from the start. Walkley Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted Wednesday at 07:15 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:15 For "ooh" and "arrrr" moments, I recommend supporting Yeovil Town. England at the moment are more "AAARGHHH!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted Wednesday at 07:26 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:26 Netherlands were wide open at the back against Austria and they'll push forward in attack - I think we'd have a good chance of beating them. ariotofmyown, FlyBritishMidland, TuffLuff and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted Wednesday at 07:48 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:48 4 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Like in 2000 when we beat Germany, they didn’t get out of the groups because they also faltered in other games. I’m not trying to wind anyone up or anything. I’m merely stating a fact. England haven’t beaten a top 10 ranked side in the world in a knockout game of football in over 35 years. You might find this just a coincidence, or a totally irrelevant, pointless fact. But I think there is a meaning behind it. On some occasions I think we have just had bad luck. We lost to Italy and Portugal on penalties, twice each. We were unlucky against France, had that Lampard goal not count against Germany, while I refuse to believe Ronaldinho was actually attempting to score from that free kick. But I just find it amazing how we always seem to come up short against the better sides. This doesn't make a lot of sense. You were saying that Argentina weren't any good and I was rewriting history to say they were. You also say that there is meaning behind England not beating a top 10 side, in a knockout match (but don't forget foreign soil). But you then list loads of unlucky matches, except you also include Lampards disallowed goal in a game England were dire in. I'm not sure why this knockout question is so hard to understand. Between 96 and 04, we lost 4 knockout matches from 5 tournaments, 2 on pens, one vs Brazil, one vs Argentina when Beckham got sent off. Small sample size, but a but unlucky. From 06 to 16, we were dire. Terrible managers, over hyped and idiot celebrity players. Under Southgate, a game vs Croatia we weren't quite good enough in, a pen loss vs Italy, then a close game vs France when we missed a pen too. There ars fine margins in knockout games against the best teams. A couple more penalty wins and we could have been one of the most successful tournament sides in last 30 years. We probably lack a little belief at key moments and it's a vicious circle now. Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted Wednesday at 07:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:59 55 minutes ago, Srg said: All the talk about “he’s done what he’s needed to do” is fine, but there’s 3 counter points to that. Momentum. We have zero. The ability to actually play well. We haven’t shown it whatsoever with this team. Why are we suddenly going to flip a switch and start creating and scoring chances? Southgate. Showing he still hasn’t learnt and he remains overly cautious, odd selections and substitutions. Just looking for the teams that have momentum... Germany draw with Switzerland ❌️ Spain beat Albania ✅️ Italy draw with Croatia ❌️ France draw with Poland ❌️ Holland lost to Austria ✅️ (could Austria be the dark horses in this comp?) Obviously need to see how Portugal and Belgium do today but I'd say there is currently Spain with any sort of momentum. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddielewis Posted Wednesday at 07:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:59 29 minutes ago, angieram said: Netherlands were wide open at the back against Austria and they'll push forward in attack - I think we'd have a good chance of beating them. It wasn't so much of their defence but their midfield it's really inexperienced and it's showed in their 3 games. They are really missing Koopmeiners and De Jong badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted Wednesday at 08:00 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:00 Bellingham has been disappointingn so far. Hope he regains his pre-Euro potential. Had our chances last night and with a bit more luck could have been 3-0 at least. Trying to play v a team that is all 'defenders' is not easy though. Bodies just get in the way...specially in penalty area. Premier ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted Wednesday at 08:03 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:03 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Just looking for the teams that have momentum... Germany draw with Switzerland ❌️ Spain beat Albania ✅️ Italy draw with Croatia ❌️ France draw with Poland ❌️ Holland lost to Austria ✅️ (could Austria be the dark horses in this comp?) Obviously need to see how Portugal and Belgium do today but I'd say there is currently Spain with any sort of momentum. Germany have at least shown an aptitude to play well this tournament. Italy aren't very good. France should be better, but again, have a manager who's proven he can be better and has a track record, which Southgate doesn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted Wednesday at 08:13 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:13 England are the ultimate median international football team. Poor international sides lose to England, great international sides beat England and middling international sides might win or lose against England. Mid. Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted Wednesday at 08:30 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:30 I am thinking 0-0 and penalty shoot outs all the way to the final. We will lift the trophy having scored a grand total of 1 goal from open play. Our to rock solid defence will see us through! Always said we had the best defence in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted Wednesday at 09:08 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:08 1 hour ago, Srg said: Germany have at least shown an aptitude to play well this tournament. Italy aren't very good. France should be better, but again, have a manager who's proven he can be better and has a track record, which Southgate doesn't have. Germany won against 2 very poor sides in Scotland and Hungary. Southgate doesn't have a track record????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted Wednesday at 09:25 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:25 15 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Germany won against 2 very poor sides in Scotland and Hungary. Southgate doesn't have a track record????? No, he doesn't. What has he won? Deschamps has won tournaments, he was a good manager before he managed France. Southgate wasn't. He's bored us through to a final that he should have won, but didn't due to his set up, cautiousness, game management and inability to make a substitution. Guess that's his track record. Walkley Ram and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted Wednesday at 09:36 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:36 27 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Germany won against 2 very poor sides in Scotland and Hungary. Southgate doesn't have a track record????? 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted Wednesday at 09:51 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:51 1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said: England are the ultimate median international football team. Poor international sides lose to England, great international sides beat England and middling international sides might win or lose against England. Mid. If we had a decent manager we wouldn't be. I read our front 4 were involved in 165 goals last season for club. If that front four was led into a brothel by Southgate they'd come out sucking their thumbs. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted Wednesday at 09:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:59 22 minutes ago, Srg said: No, he doesn't. What has he won? Deschamps has won tournaments, he was a good manager before he managed France. Southgate wasn't. He's bored us through to a final that he should have won, but didn't due to his set up, cautiousness, game management and inability to make a substitution. Guess that's his track record. If a semi final, final and quarter final at International level isn't a track record them I'm not really sure what is. Deschamps record in his first 3 tournaments was quarter final, final, final, so really not much difference to Southgate. Deschamps win percentage as France manager is 60.3% compared to Southgates 61.3%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted Wednesday at 10:13 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:13 (edited) 22 minutes ago, YouRams said: If we had a decent manager we wouldn't be. I read our front 4 were involved in 165 goals last season for club. If that front four was led into a brothel by Southgate they'd come out sucking their thumbs. I remember when things like that were said in the early 2000s. I've reached the conclusion that basically any good manager archives this kind of level with the England team. Obviously, some England managers achieve less. Edited Wednesday at 10:14 by RadioactiveWaste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted Wednesday at 10:21 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:21 5 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I remember when things like that were said in the early 2000s. I've reached the conclusion that basically any good manager achieves this kind of level with the England team. Obviously, some England managers achieve less. That's the point isn't it. The pool of players the England manager has to chose from, the level that they play at, we should be doing really well at tournaments if we had 'any good manager'. Southgate is FA friendly, a pleasant chap and not 'any good manager'. YouRams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted Wednesday at 10:22 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:22 Just now, RoyMac5 said: That's the point isn't it. The pool of players the England manager has to chose from, the level that they play at, we should be doing really well at tournaments if we had 'any good manager'. Southgate is FA friendly, a pleasant chap and not 'any good manager'. What is your definition of 'doing really well at tournaments'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted Wednesday at 10:35 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:35 (edited) 13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What is your definition of 'doing really well at tournaments'? Winning them. 😄 Playing good football at worst. Edited Wednesday at 10:36 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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