RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CBRammette said: The first to spring to mind is the one and only Chris Martin I was thinking Kinkladze and McGrath, but yeah Martin didn't need to run around like a headless chicken he knew where to be. I was always impressed with Morrison like that, he made some great interceptions because he read the game so well, not because he ran around so much. Edited November 14, 2023 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 when we went 2 down in first game I thought we were playing good enough to get back into it but not sure we would tonight, imperative we score next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Matchday Fred said: We have players who will not offer up the discretionary hard running effort in every game. They will put it in when they are put under pressure and there is fan unrest, but invariably we win those games, the pressure is off for the next game, and they revert to type. This could explain the inconsistency. Our midfield is pretty much made up of these types. An Arteta, Guardiola, Clough have the ability to squeeze the juice in every game, and typically are good at recruiting the type of player that looks after themselves and will run hard because they want to We put it in in the supposed harder games - Blackpool, Peterborough, Barnsley etc. Don’t bother for Cheltenham, Cambridge etc Matchday Fred 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Chris_Martin said: why does our entire game hinge on running round a lot though... Would walking around be a better option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, RoyMac5 said: I was thinking Kinkladze and McGrath, but yeah Martin didn't need to run around like a headless chicken he knew were to be. I was always impressed with Morrison like that, he made some great interceptions because he read the game so well, not because he ran around so much. Not that I want to get into a Martin debate, but he had the likes of Bryson to run… we have Smith and Hourihane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: why does our entire game hinge on running round a lot though... Warne is used to being the underdog, and has the mentality that you're more likely to win if you work harder than the other team to make up for the difference in talent. And he's had success with that in the past, and he's taking time to adapt to the management of more talented players. Edited November 14, 2023 by oodledoodle NOTSA74, RoyMac5, Chris_Martin and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Torquay and Newport pushed us hard last season in the FA Cup and we got away with it. Crewe were the more effective side in the first tie for 80 minutes and once again we got out of jail. There are only so many times you can undercook a performance against a lower placed side before you get punished. We need a huge 45 minutes or the knives will be out for Warne again. Tamworthram and strawhillram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichram Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Agree with Srg - warne reflected in May that he should have used the squad more and relied on some players too much … da daaaa! totally worth a gamble with fapetu - tu tu tu Crewe have energy from their young uns we saw last week our young uns have energy too Give weston 20 mins alongside Collo bet ya he won’t though Leicester Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Srg said: Not that I want to get into a Martin debate, but he had the likes of Bryson to run… we have Smith and Hourihane. It's about reading the game. The likes of Bryson? Is that a multiple? 😄 Smith is the invisible man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 RoyMac5 and Walkley Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matchday Fred said: We have players who will not offer up the discretionary hard running effort in every game. They will put it in when they are put under pressure and there is fan unrest, but invariably we win those games, the pressure is off for the next game, and they revert to type. This could explain the inconsistency. Our midfield is pretty much made up of these types. An Arteta, Guardiola, Clough have the ability to squeeze the juice in every game, and typically are good at recruiting the type of player that looks after themselves and will run hard because they want to they actually have the ball over 60% of the time though so it makes it a lot easier for them. Warne seems to like not having the ball and for his players to just run all game chasing it DCFC Kicks and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, oodledoodle said: Warne is used to being the underdog, and has the mentality that you're more likely to win if you work harder than the other team to make up for the difference in talent. And he's had success with that in the past, and he's taking time to adapt to the management of more talented players. Yes. No-one says you don't have to work hard. But it's depressing to hear the manager suggest that is the most important factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jourdan said: Torquay and Newport pushed us hard last season in the FA Cup and we got away with it. Crewe were the more effective side in the first tie for 80 minutes and once again we got out of jail. There are only so many times you can undercook a performance against a lower placed side before you get punished. We need a huge 45 minutes or the knives will be out for Warne again. Crewe WERE NOT better than us for 80 minutes no way!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, ramit said: Would walking around be a better option? yeah walking round, keeping the ball would make it easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris_Martin said: why does our entire game hinge on running round a lot though... Well it shouldn't really, but if the only way to stop us booting it long from the back is to win it higher up, then we need an ability to press. That suggests at least our front 5 or 6 need to run around to press the ball, and run around to find space when we attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 How many do we have to be winning by before the youngsters get on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, EraniosSocks said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 We really need to give the youngsters a chance, they probably will inject much more life into this game than what we've seen so far. I'd like to see Weston on soon. norwichram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichram Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 He said more effective .. which they were .. can’t argue with it Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, oodledoodle said: Warne is used to being the underdog, and has the mentality that you're more likely to win if you work harder than the other team to make up for the difference in talent. And he's had success with that in the past, and he's taking time to adapt to the management of more talented players. i would argue he's not adapted at all Walkley Ram and JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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