Derby County vs Exeter City (H) Match Thread

[Ghost of Clough]

18 hours ago, hintonsboots said:

I would play Barks as a striker, it’s his preferred position and let’s face it, it’s worth a try.

Barkhuizen has played the majority of his career on the right wing. He's had a short spell at CF, another short spell at RWB (the season before he joined us), and then spent last season at LW (and occasionally at LWB). I also recall him saying he doesn't actually like it at CF.

[hintonsboots]

Just now, Ghost of Clough said:

Barkhuizen has played the majority of his career on the right wing. He's had a short spell at CF, another short spell at RWB (the season before he joined us), and then spent last season at LW (and occasionally at LWB). I also recall him saying he doesn't actually like it at CF.

Strange, because I recall an interview with him where he said playing as a striker was his favourite position. Ah well I can’t argue with the Forum Statto.

[TINMANTED]

11 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

I suspect he's that tired from travelling across time and space he'd struggle to find his boots.   We lost him as a decent player when Knight was moved from full back as he did all his running.  We've lost any usefulness at all now he's playing football at 3am on a 5 weekly rota.

He will only be effective as a sub, standing in a 10 yard radius, without any tracking player duties.  Basically not much at all

put him in the middle instead of collins,and tell him not to move out of the opponents half so we always have an outlet instead of being under constant siege

[Old Spalding Ram]

3 minutes ago, TheRamOfSwad said:

Paul Warne tries to protect his players, you can see that in the interviews. I think they are low on confidence especially with the ball at our feet. We played our best football when McGoldrick came deep and started a move 

I would play just 1 holding Midfielders and try and get them to own the position...

Playing bird, Fornah and Smith/ Hourihane is too much of the same type of player and in practice the midfield gets owned

I would play a diamond for a bit of pass and move

 

                       Wildsmith 

   Nyambe  Nelson Cashin   Forsyth 

                           Bird

         Wilson                    NML

                         Sibley           

                Waghorn   Barks

 

A bit of a change and get bird to dictate the passing play and give barks a go upfront as he looks dangerous and tell sibley to just enjoy himself 

Spot on!
 

pinched from the Exeter forum.

……………….we’re in free-fall 1 win in 7 league games against the team bottom of the league in Cheltenham who have won 1 game all season and also add to that 9-0 & 5-0 defeats in the football league trophy….

in the last 10 competitive fixtures in all competitions we’ve let in 28 & scored 4 winning 1 it’s seriously poor form and needs addressing fast. 

If we play defensive midfielders in Smith & Fornah in front of a back four against this lot then it really is time to seriously question the tactical nouse of the management team.

👍🐏

[Ghost of Clough]

2 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Strange, because I recall an interview with him where he said playing as a striker was his favourite position. Ah well I can’t argue with the Forum Statto.

In the very first interview he spoke about how Rosenior wanted to use him (as a winger). "I prefer to play as a forward on either side, but don't enjoy it down the middle [as a lone forward]. I can play wing back but it's not my favourite position which I was quite vocal about last season"

[Caerphilly Ram]

7 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Strange, because I recall an interview with him where he said playing as a striker was his favourite position. Ah well I can’t argue with the Forum Statto.

When he joined the club this is what Barkhuizen said;

On His Position…

I prefer to play as a forward, mainly off either side. I’m comfortable off the right or left. I have played as a number nine, but I don’t particularly enjoy it when you’re up front on your own and you have two six foot four brutes baring down the back of you! I can play wing back but it’s not my favourite position. I like to get forward, get shots off and be in and around the box to create things and that’s hopefully what I can do.

Taken from this interview;

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/amp/news/2022/07/barkhuizen-derby-is-a-massive-club

I don’t mind your suggestion of him playing as a striker but think it would have to be a temporary measure as part of a 2, which would then have further implications to the other “specialist” strikers on the books. I suppose if Warne were to consider using Barkhuizen as a more mobile forward, he could just as easily give the Washington/Waghorn pairing another go or use Brown from the academy. 
Not sure I know what the answer is but hope Warne can figure it out tonight and beyond so we can start moving back up the league sooner rather than later.

[duncanjwitham]

4 minutes ago, Old Spalding Ram said:

If we play defensive midfielders in Smith & Fornah in front of a back four against this lot then it really is time to seriously question the tactical nouse of the management team.

4231 is plenty attacking enough if you're doing it properly...  2 deeper midfielders should give you a solid base to let everybody else get forward and support the attack (overlapping fullbacks, a number 10 with license to roam around and affect the play etc) and you use the 2 sitters to feed the ball into that lot.

We don't really do any of that though.  Our fullbacks aren't exactly a massive threat bombing forward - Forsyth is way past his best in terms of getting up and down, Niambe is a good player but more on the defensive end of the fullback spectrum.  We don't seem to use the only real number 10 we have there (Sibley), we either play Bird there and he ends up dropping back to make 3 sitting deeper, or we play Waghorn who pushes up too much and we end up in a very flat 442.  And we largely bypass the midfield 2 in possession anyway, so they never really get a chance to get on the ball and affect the game.

[hintonsboots]

I’ve looked at the free-agent striker market and there are not really a lot of names out there who could fill the void left by John-Jules. The one thing that I have said and I'm still yet to see it happen is that I wouldn't be averse to playing Barkhuizen down the middle.

He's clever in and around the box. He's played centre forward before, and he took his goal really well. I thought he was absolutely superb and you see this ability that he's got. I remember January early this year, he was unbelievable. He was player of the month and then he just sort of dipped off from that. I think he's just one of these players who could do with finding some consistency because he has so much ability.

Leigh Curtis.

[Srg]

6 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

I’ve looked at the free-agent striker market and there are not really a lot of names out there who could fill the void left by John-Jules. The one thing that I have said and I'm still yet to see it happen is that I wouldn't be averse to playing Barkhuizen down the middle.

He's clever in and around the box. He's played centre forward before, and he took his goal really well. I thought he was absolutely superb and you see this ability that he's got. I remember January early this year, he was unbelievable. He was player of the month and then he just sort of dipped off from that. I think he's just one of these players who could do with finding some consistency because he has so much ability.

Leigh Curtis.

You do that and you just create another void on the left, because we have no one to play there either.

[Ghost of Clough]

3 minutes ago, Srg said:

You do that and you just create another void on the left, because we have no one to play there either.

Unless you don't play with wingers.

I'm amazed Tarique Fosu is still a free agent. I'd be doing everything I can to get him in to add depth to our winger options, particularly on the left where no one is a natural - Ward, Mendez-Laing and Barkhuizen have all predominately played on the right.

In terms of CFs who are still available, the only one which stands out as a possibility is Connor Wickham - at he wouldn't feel lonely on the treatment table if we did sign him.

[DavesaRam]

3 hours ago, Archied said:

Why no greggs on match day anymore ?

Apparently it was part of the rental agreement so that Gregg’s didn’t detract from the matchday catering businesses. A bit harsh in my view, but knowing what it costs for a pie or burger at the ground it isn’t surprising.

[Nuwtfly]

I only ask this going by some of the stuff I've been reading on Twitter/some of the comments on last night's Sportscene Talk-In;

But do people think that, if we lose this game, that's it for Warne?

[TheRamOfSwad]

33 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

When he joined the club this is what Barkhuizen said;

On His Position…

I prefer to play as a forward, mainly off either side. I’m comfortable off the right or left. I have played as a number nine, but I don’t particularly enjoy it when you’re up front on your own and you have two six foot four brutes baring down the back of you! I can play wing back but it’s not my favourite position. I like to get forward, get shots off and be in and around the box to create things and that’s hopefully what I can do.

Taken from this interview;

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/amp/news/2022/07/barkhuizen-derby-is-a-massive-club

I don’t mind your suggestion of him playing as a striker but think it would have to be a temporary measure as part of a 2, which would then have further implications to the other “specialist” strikers on the books. I suppose if Warne were to consider using Barkhuizen as a more mobile forward, he could just as easily give the Washington/Waghorn pairing another go or use Brown from the academy. 
Not sure I know what the answer is but hope Warne can figure it out tonight and beyond so we can start moving back up the league sooner rather than later.

Yeah I just feel like we should give the players who are good with the ball at their feet a shot. like Wilson, Bird, Sibley etc I think he's an option as a second striker.... not permanently I agree

[eccles the ram]

Going tonight. A bit meh at the moment with really disappointing displays. Hope we can start well but that's going to be down to Warne. Send them out with a rocket up their a..e and they might put on a display. Exeter should be there for the taking but you can bet they will raise their game as it's a 'free hit' for them. Heart says we will scrape a 1 0 but head believes it could be a 0 0 bore fest. Hopefully we can play some decent football in front of a crowd that will turn on them if they don't. 

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

53 minutes ago, TINMANTED said:

put him in the middle instead of collins,and tell him not to move out of the opponents half so we always have an outlet instead of being under constant siege

Yeah.  I thought that myself weirdly last few games but hadn't paid much attention prior.  Keeping a midfielder and striker further up is always handy.  We need to do the same if we're attempting those bizarre corners where everyone stays outside the box as we never get a sniff and everyone's out of position for the break.  It's a very strange routine.

[duncanjwitham]

15 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

I only ask this going by some of the stuff I've been reading on Twitter/some of the comments on last night's Sportscene Talk-In;

But do people think that, if we lose this game, that's it for Warne?

I suspect it depends on the atmosphere as much as anything.  There's definitely a world where we go behind early, never get back in the game and it becomes so toxic in the stadium that you don't see how Warne comes back from it.  If we actually play okay and end up losing to a freak goal or a bad bit of refereeing or something, then he probably limps on for a bit longer.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

16 minutes ago, TheRamOfSwad said:

Yeah I just feel like we should give the players who are good with the ball at their feet a shot. like Wilson, Bird, Sibley etc I think he's an option as a second striker.... not permanently I agree

I'm not really getting Wilson.  He has no real positional sense or strength as a full back and seems to try and beat a player twice when in possession.  He isn't terrible as he has quick feet.  If he learnt to pass and move into space for a return more he'd probably be more effective.  I guess thats why a championship side let him go after a year though.  Quick feet were worth a gamble, if a quick brain can be added but they didn't see enough.   I do feel he was a 250k makeweight to get a deal done and allow a club always on an FFP knife edge the facility to free up wages to get the player they wanted, rather than a player we had particular interest in.   

[Caerphilly Ram]

24 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

I only ask this going by some of the stuff I've been reading on Twitter/some of the comments on last night's Sportscene Talk-In;

But do people think that, if we lose this game, that's it for Warne?

I don’t know or think tonight will be the deciding game, but there are likely to be more and more voices of discontent the longer the poor performances/results continue which will be harder for the owner to ignore. 

I think there’s likely to be a few more games under Warne, depending on how they play out it’s either an upturn in form that I appreciate many can’t see happening and he gets more time as a result. OR things continue as they are, more fans grow more restless, prompting public votes of confidence from the owner that probably go hand in hand with private discussions around immediate improvement between him and Warne, then the parting of the ways an increasing number seem keen on will probably happen if that improvement isn’t there. 

That’s just my take on the situation, the noise from the club itself has been very much business as usual so can’t see Warne being as close to the edge as some want, and in reality even with the poor performances/results there’s still plenty of football to play and opportunity to get back into the top 6.

[KnowledgeisPorridge]

28 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

I only ask this going by some of the stuff I've been reading on Twitter/some of the comments on last night's Sportscene Talk-In;

But do people think that, if we lose this game, that's it for Warne?

If we lose tonight, he'll get the next game I am pretty sure of that.

Another poor away performance/loss on Saturday though, I could certainly see a change being made.

I don't subscribe to "we can't afford to sack him". There has to be a contingency in place. 

I'd actually wager he might resign if things don't significantly improve, he is that type of emotional guy.

[RoyMac5]

8 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

I'm not really getting Wilson.  He has no real positional sense or strength as a full back and seems to try and beat a player twice when in possession.  He isn't terrible as he has quick feet.  If he learnt to pass and move into space for a return more he'd probably be more effective.  I guess thats why a championship side let him go after a year though.  Quick feet were worth a gamble, if a quick brain can be added but they didn't see enough.   I do feel he was a 250k makeweight to get a deal done and allow a club always on an FFP knife edge the facility to free up wages to get the player they wanted, rather than a player we had particular interest in.   

I agree with some of that, but when he played with Sibs in front of him it seemed to work well, one game against whoever, but I'd start him and Sibs for a home game against Exeter.