ziggazagga Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 5 hours ago, YorkshireRam said: Some bad takes on here. Our defence has been woeful so far, no doubt. All 3 look totally uncomfortable playing in a 3: Nelson has been shocking- we should have signed 1 of him or Bradley, Cashin has struggled to adapt and gets caught out of position constantly, not helped by Fozzy also not suiting wingback on that side. Bradley hasn't been great but he looks completely lost in this system, arguably more so than anyone else in the team. I saw enough glimpses in pre-season of his marking and tackling ability to know there's a player in there, Sonny just seems to be the biggest victim of the system. Maybe i'm being too generous but I suspect if he'd come into a settled side playing a back 5, it'd be chalk and cheese and he could his show his talent more easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggazagga Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 It's probably irrelevant as I don't believe either cashin or bird will be here in a couple of weeks Chris_Martin and Dordogne-Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Kokosnuss said: Sorry if this comes across as a bit rude, but I'm baffled by your comments, and I can't understand what matches you've been watching to lead you to think we're camped in our own half with a solid back 5, not being exposed and with the defenders having little ground to cover? The problem is that we're playing a high line, asking players to commit forward whenever they can, and keep ending up in a situation where with nobody is in position to provide cover when we lose the ball, with the defenders miles apart and having to cover loads of ground! This is a slightly exaggerated and simplistic view of it, I'll admit, but there are times it's looked a bit like this: The blue box is (roughly) the amount of space Bradley is being asked to cover in our current set up. Sometimes it's a shared duty with one of the CBs staying in position or a midfielder dropping deep, but he's often being left isolated. it was mainly based on the game last night v oxford. There were large portions of the game where oxford brought the ball over the half way line and we had everyone back except collins. There was almost no press involved. To me it looked generally more like this: the reason bradley was so exposed was because cashin and nelson were often going right to the touchline to try get the ball down the line, as warnes tactic. And with both wing backs staying so wide it means as soon as we lost the ball in midfield, oxford had a clear run either side of bradley into lots of space. David Graham Brown, May Contain Nuts and Gabby'sThighs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Kokosnuss said: In a back 4 with a DM & some actua wingers allowing the full-backs to maintain their defensive duties a bit, it looks more like this: I'm really not sure how you can conclude that he'll be more exposed in a back 4. If warne wants to play the same way and get the full backs high and wide then bradley will still be left exposed May Contain Nuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Jourdan said: Based on what I’ve seen, no. But how much of that is also down to several players playing in roles that are unnatural to them? Playing Cashin as a wide centre back, Bird as an advanced midfielder, NML as a central player are all steps that are putting additional strain and confusion on the team. Exactly. Managers usually do one of two things. Play their preferred system with the players they have, or pick a system that suits the players in the squad. Warnes prioritised system over player suitability and its not working at all. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said: Exactly. Managers usually do one of two things. Play their preferred system with the players they have, or pick a system that suits the players in the squad. Warnes prioritised system over player suitability and its not working at all. its been getting worse and worse since about jan/feb last season Walkley Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 In Bradley’s defence, I seem to recall Curtis Davies looking pretty ropey in his first few games for the club. Not saying he’ll end up like that but we’ve got to give him a chance. Blondest Goat, Walkley Ram and Abu Derby 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valakari Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Curtis Davies always looked ropey!! No hopes here then 🙈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Davies always needed a run of games to get up to speed, and last season wasn't the first one people were saying his legs had gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMuffin Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chris_Martin said: it was mainly based on the game last night v oxford. There were large portions of the game where oxford brought the ball over the half way line and we had everyone back except collins. There was almost no press involved. To me it looked generally more like this: the reason bradley was so exposed was because cashin and nelson were often going right to the touchline to try get the ball down the line, as warnes tactic. And with both wing backs staying so wide it means as soon as we lost the ball in midfield, oxford had a clear run either side of bradley into lots of space. I’ve been saying this. I actually think Bradley and Nelson would be ok as a pair. Elder at left back. And Wilson RB. Elder a bit more reserved giving Wilson a bit more license to get forward a bit like you see nowadays one fullback almost making it a back 3 at times but would be more compact than how our defence is now. NML and Ward on the wings. 2 new dynamic CM’s with the Cashin and Bird money and maybe if it stretches a pacy striker to add to our forward line! Edited August 16, 2023 by McMuffin Chris_Martin and DCFC Kicks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 43 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: its been getting worse and worse since about jan/feb last season Why though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said: Why though? Finally moving from one managers preferences to the new manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Finally moving from one managers preferences to the new manager? So you're saying Warne just eventually ground them down? Chris_Martin and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just adding this as raw data: Asked a friend-of-a-friend who is a lifelong Luton fan, did Luton fans consider Bradley finished as a player before he joined us. This was the reply: ”Simple answer, yes! Wasn't cut out anymore for Championship. Way too slow. Gives it his all and was a great captain but shot now. Did think he'd do OK dropping down a division again though” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 On 16/08/2023 at 02:25, Gee SCREAMER !! said: I disagree with Hourihane. I'd lose Smith or Bird to accommodate the fact he's the only midfielder who's getting 7 or 8 goals, We did it with Idiakez in the past. The trick is having the right players in midfield to do the other jobs on a consistent basis. Smith has been as poor as anybody RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodleyRam Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 I can't believe he's as bad as he's looked. I had high hopes for him and still hope he will demonstrate his quality. As a CB he's only just past his prime etc. The formation and lack of a dynamic CDM is not helping any if our CBs. None of them look confident positionally in a 3 and none of them have the pace to recover. It's worrying how fragile we have looked defensively given that most of us thought we would be very stingy this year. A formation change will help but it's a worry. Dordogne-Ram and angieram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 16 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said: Why though? it's taken a while, but he's finally managed to remove all footballing ability. Probably caused by the relentless head tennis killing brain cells in training DCFC Kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Hopefully we are trying to find him another club before the window shuts i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammeister Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 18 hours ago, ziggazagga said: It's probably irrelevant as I don't believe either cashin or bird will be here in a couple of weeks Will be a shame if we cash in on Eiran. Not sure Bird will fly the nest if his injury is serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Bradey is the new Albentosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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