Guest Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 hours ago, alram said: spending it on players, spending it to run the club, spending it on breakfast - bottom line is it wasnt set aside to pay the tax bill it was used so HE didnt have to put his hand in his pocket and spend HIS money. once you start spending money that isnt yours you know exactly what you are doing as an owner of a club, the only long term saviour from what he was doing would have been promotion, he would have known this and it was a borderline criminal what he did. how stubborn do you have to be to defend the man even after everything that panned out He wasn't setting any money aside, there was no income, it was during Covid when there was no income that the debt started to mount up. If someone is paid £100 gross a week and you pay them £60 after deductions it doesn't mean that you have £40 in your pocket, it means that you owe £40 to the taxman. So it's not like he then had £40 to go out and spend on players. That's not defending anyone, that's just pointing out that what you are saying is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 12 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: He wasn't setting any money aside, there was no income, it was during Covid when there was no income that the debt started to mount up. If someone is paid £100 gross a week and you pay them £60 after deductions it doesn't mean that you have £40 in your pocket, it means that you owe £40 to the taxman. So it's not like he then had £40 to go out and spend on players. That's not defending anyone, that's just pointing out that what you are saying is incorrect. “I’m not saying he’s right, I’m just saying you’re wrong.” I love the internet. Red_Dawn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Mel can take a boat trip on whatever Bob Maxwell's yatch was called as far as I'm concerned. I'm not going to defend him, and the reputational damage to our club has been huge and is something we have to weather and rebuild. It's as simple as that. Forest's current ownership is a separeate issue with pretty damning things alledged but as yet no convictions for them. alram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Mel can take a boat trip on whatever Bob Maxwell's yatch was called as far as I'm concerned. "Lady Ghislaine". Named after his daughter, I believe? He'd died after going down on Lady Ghislaine, I believe? ... Quite apt for this thread then, I believe? RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: He wasn't setting any money aside, there was no income, it was during Covid when there was no income that the debt started to mount up. If someone is paid £100 gross a week and you pay them £60 after deductions it doesn't mean that you have £40 in your pocket, it means that you owe £40 to the taxman. So it's not like he then had £40 to go out and spend on players. That's not defending anyone, that's just pointing out that what you are saying is incorrect. It is like having £40 in your pocket if you have no intention to pay the taxman which is what happened. he didnt let debt mount up over one year, it was over several and him not submitting the accounts was him hiding that he was spending the clubs tax deductions. its strange how every other club managed to pay their tax bill over the same period & mel even refused EFL funding to cover the tax bill. HINT: because he would have to tell the efl he wasnt going to pay the tax bill Edited July 23, 2023 by alram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 hours ago, alram said: It is like having £40 in your pocket if you have no intention to pay the taxman which is what happened. he didnt let debt mount up over one year, it was over several and him not submitting the accounts was him hiding that he was spending the clubs tax deductions. its strange how every other club managed to pay their tax bill over the same period & mel even refused EFL funding to cover the tax bill. HINT: because he would have to tell the efl he wasnt going to pay the tax bill The EFL's rules prevented the club from applying for the Covid funding. I cant be bothered to recalculate it, but I believe our HMRC debt built up over just 18 months, which roughly coincided with the start of Covid and a Government policy which prevented the HMRC from winding us up sooner to collect the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 hours ago, alram said: It is like having £40 in your pocket if you have no intention to pay the taxman which is what happened. he didnt let debt mount up over one year, it was over several and him not submitting the accounts was him hiding that he was spending the clubs tax deductions. its strange how every other club managed to pay their tax bill over the same period & mel even refused EFL funding to cover the tax bill. HINT: because he would have to tell the efl he wasnt going to pay the tax bill If someone is on £100 per week, you deduct £40 in tax and nic, then pay them £60, it does not mean you have £40 in your pocket. It means you have spent £60. Not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this? Once again you're factually incorrect on the second point, the EFL provided support to 70 of the 72 clubs I think, there's no hint to be given, they just didn't give any support to clubs that were under EFL restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game. To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace. Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. Carnero and Reggie Greenwood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Srg said: Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game. To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace. Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. They best get used to it. It’s going to take a few years if this to pay off their spending from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chellaston Ram Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Srg said: Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game. To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace. Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. They’ve been used to paying £100 for a season ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 and then when you get there it's notts forest and the city ground <other tin shacks by sewage filled waterways are availble> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Their away game at Arsenal is £28.50 for adults and £12.25 for seniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Foreveram said: Their away game at Arsenal is £28.50 for adults and £12.25 for seniors. Believe there’s a £30 away ticket limit. Doesn’t stop them taking home fans for all they’ve got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Srg said: Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game. To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace. Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. "Levels" 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Srg said: Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game. To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace. Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. They have been giving 25 year old students tickets for the price of a pint for 4 years. Now they just want it backdated to pay for Shelveys perms on his match day rider and Woods mobility scooter. It's their own fault. uttoxram75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 The PL looks weaker this season than last. Forest should look to finish above Luton, Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Burnley and Wolves (the latter selling off their better players). Fulham could struggle too if Silva goes to Saudi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Dawn Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: The PL looks weaker this season than last. Forest should look to finish above Luton, Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Burnley and Wolves (the latter selling off their better players). Fulham could struggle too if Silva goes to Saudi. I've a funny feeling Wolves go down this year. Might be worth a punt for those inclined for a cheeky bet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 20 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: If someone is on £100 per week, you deduct £40 in tax and nic, then pay them £60, it does not mean you have £40 in your pocket. It means you have spent £60. Not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this? Once again you're factually incorrect on the second point, the EFL provided support to 70 of the 72 clubs I think, there's no hint to be given, they just didn't give any support to clubs that were under EFL restrictions. i am not sure what YOU find so hard to understand? The £40 is SUPPOSED to be set aside for the tax man when the bill is due to be paid. If you spend that money you cant pay the tax man, we couldnt pay the tax man, and kept using the money set aside to run the club - thus increasing the tax bill to an unsustainable amount that we could not pay. so out of the 72 clubs, 2 didnt accept it, one of them was us with the most unsustainable tax bill of the lot. hmmmm, yes.... no idea why you continue to defend what he did, must be stockholm syndrome or your his grand son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 I think the nature of the PL is such a way that at some point every side besides 6 will get relegated at some point. Even Leicester who won the league, the FA Cup and enjoyed a few years of European football couldn’t avoid it. We’d be the same if we ever got back there, just have to enjoy it whilst you’re there. There should be 3 worse teams than Forest this year, but like all the others, relegation is inevitable at some point. Bris Vegas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Kernow said: I think the nature of the PL is such a way that at some point every side besides 6 will get relegated at some point. Even Leicester who won the league, the FA Cup and enjoyed a few years of European football couldn’t avoid it. We’d be the same if we ever got back there, just have to enjoy it whilst you’re there. There should be 3 worse teams than Forest this year, but like all the others, relegation is inevitable at some point. Agreed, let's just hope we are going in the opposite direction when they do come down. Bragging rights and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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