Comrade 86 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 What is wrong with the US Senate? When is this going to end? Honestly, I just can't grasp the thinking behind elected officials holding the entire country to ransom. Another 19 children dead. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61573377 Ram-a-lama fa fa fa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) Absolutely horrible. And, while we can all say with ease 'ban guns', it's just not as simple as that. Unfortunately, the NRA are just so powerful over there. Do a little bit of digging and most of the politicians have some sort of financial link to them. They may as well have a seat on the senate to be honest. Edit: look at the state of this - https://elections.bradyunited.org/take-action/nra-donations-116th-congress-senators Not to mention, it's so ingrained in their culture that it would take decades to transition over to a gun-free society. The thing that frustrates me is this common viewpoint of 'take our guns away and it will soon be goodbye to all of our human rights'. It's a hell of a jump that I physically can't comprehend. Edited May 25, 2022 by Scott129 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Scott129 said: Absolutely horrible. And, while we can all say with ease 'ban guns', it's just not as simple as that. Unfortunately, the NRA are just so powerful over there. Do a little bit of digging and most of the politicians have some sort of financial link to them. They may as well have a seat on the senate to be honest. Edit: look at the state of this - https://elections.bradyunited.org/take-action/nra-donations-116th-congress-senators Not to mention, it's so ingrained in their culture that it would take decades to transition over to a gun-free society. The thing that frustrates me is this common viewpoint of 'take our guns away and it will soon be goodbye to all of our human rights'. It's a hell of a jump that I physically can't comprehend. And the Senate refuse point blank to even take a vote on more stringent background checks. Go figure! ?♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) My favourite argument the gun nuts make is that the right to bear arms is somehow to protect individuals from the tyranny of the state. The US DoD contributes one third of the entire worlds expenditure on defence. A couple of pistols, an AR15 and a bulletproof vest ain't gonna protect you when the Apache's start strafing your house lads. It'll never change though. Edited May 25, 2022 by JoetheRam TigerTedd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Anag Ram, 1of4 and SSD 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Last year the Governor of Texas removed many restrictions making it easier to own gun, in a state where other school shootings have already taken place. And what solution as the Lt. Governor of Texas suggested to stop these shootings. A call for more guns and have every teacher to carry a gun. Madness, pure madness. Many American schools regularly carry out drills on what to do if there is a shooting in the school. If I was a parent in the USA and wanting to keep my children safe. I'd be demanding more control on who can get a gun, instead of checking that the kids had their shooting drill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, 1of4 said: And what solution as the Lt. Governor of Texas suggested to stop these shootings. A call for more guns and have every teacher to carry a gun. Madness, pure madness Imagine a part of your teacher training being "how to shoot someone"?! And it's not even like they don't know it's a ridiculous take. 2 weeks ago at the Buffalo mass shooting, the Security Guard had a gun and tried shooting back. Can you guess what happened to him? The stats here just beggar belief https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Imagine a part of your teacher training being "how to shoot someone"?! And it's not even like they don't know it's a ridiculous take. 2 weeks ago at the Buffalo mass shooting, the Security Guard had a gun and tried shooting back. Can you guess what happened to him? The stats here just beggar belief https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting It's honestly quite horrific reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Horrific. The NRA annual conference is next week, timing is everything. No doubt nothing will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Whatever your thoughts on 2A, I can't understand why there's not more support for better mental health support in the US. There has to be a correlation between the ease of owning a gun and the relative difficulty of obtaining socialised healthcare/mental healthcare, and the absolute basketcase mass shooting stats in the country. Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 3 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said: What is wrong with the US Senate? When is this going to end? Honestly, I just can't grasp the thinking behind elected officials holding the entire country to ransom. Another 19 children dead. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61573377 Never got the right to bear arms argument. I had so many arguments when I was out there, we were the only family on the street not to own a fire arm, and they didn’t get it that without guns these mass shootings wouldn’t happen. The right to have a weapon was more important. Its so so sad, all those young lives lost. My kids had lessons on how to react should this happen when they were in school, like hide and be quiet etc, it was the norm that this would happen. The change needs to be huge and quick, sadly I can’t see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 The most advanced country in the free world ladies and gentleman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: And it's not even like they don't know it's a ridiculous take. 2 weeks ago at the Buffalo mass shooting, the Security Guard had a gun and tried shooting back. Can you guess what happened to him? And someone would seriously reply to that to say it was because his gun wasn't powerful enough. Like many have said - just mad. The one thing that amazes me when I have talked about it with Americans is not the 'second amendment' / 'it's my right' but more the belief that if you take the guns off the good people then the bad guys win. And on more than one occassion I've seen people who would be the last person I would imagine telling me all about their gun cupboard and how they need it to feel safe. It's just entrenched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 52 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Horrific. The NRA annual conference is next week, timing is everything. No doubt nothing will happen. I remember watching a documentary - I think it might have been Louis Theroux, actually - where they went along to this conference. Ironically, guns were not allowed in the venue for safety reasons. EtoileSportiveDeDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBustler1884 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, TexasRam said: Never got the right to bear arms argument. I had so many arguments when I was out there, we were the only family on the street not to own a fire arm, and they didn’t get it that without guns these mass shootings wouldn’t happen. The right to have a weapon was more important. Its so so sad, all those young lives lost. My kids had lessons on how to react should this happen when they were in school, like hide and be quiet etc, it was the norm that this would happen. The change needs to be huge and quick, sadly I can’t see it happening. I've seen stories about these drills - kids being told not to open the door to their classroom, even if a child is begging and screaming to be let in, in case the gunman is using them to gain access. Kids being tested on this in drills by the schools using their siblings to try and get them to open up. Or some kids refusing to use the bathroom at school in case they get locked out during a shooting. Whether there is truth to those stories or not I'm not sure, I hope it's rubbish, but in al honesty, I can see it being true. I just don't understand the mentality behind gun ownership. It is literally killing their children and yet there has been no movement in decades. And then you see the likes of Marjorie Greene and the hardline GOP with their messaging. How parents can vote these maniacs in is beyond me. Makes me so angry and sad for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, Scott129 said: I remember watching a documentary - I think it might have been Louis Theroux, actually - where they went along to this conference. Ironically, guns were not allowed in the venue for safety reasons. Guns are a problem, idiots holding the guns are even bigger problem Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, TomBustler1884 said: I've seen stories about these drills - kids being told not to open the door to their classroom, even if a child is begging and screaming to be let in, in case the gunman is using them to gain access. Kids being tested on this in drills by the schools using their siblings to try and get them to open up. Or some kids refusing to use the bathroom at school in case they get locked out during a shooting. Whether there is truth to those stories or not I'm not sure, I hope it's rubbish, but in al honesty, I can see it being true. I just don't understand the mentality behind gun ownership. It is literally killing their children and yet there has been no movement in decades. And then you see the likes of Marjorie Greene and the hardline GOP with their messaging. How parents can vote these maniacs in is beyond me. Makes me so angry and sad for them. The drills are real that’s for sure, my kids didn’t witness those tactics though. However that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. The teachers argument was they should be armed, they don’t get it, they just think guns are the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Guns are a problem, idiots holding the guns are even bigger problem Every country as a problem with it's idiots. But the people who allow these idiots to legally obtain a gun are the biggest problem. And the USA seem to have more than its fair share of them. EtoileSportiveDeDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 At the current rate, the USA are going to be running out of crisis actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 There will be a tipping point soon where the number of mass shootings outweighs the need to protect what is a very dubious constitutional argument (if you read the second amendment it's pretty clear the founders are talking of a form of citizen militia). I believe after sandy hook Obama simply tried to pass small legislation such as a 30 day wait period for a background check and the right balked at that. Biden and democrats need to actually make it seem like they are coming for the guns wholesale to inch a compromise like background checks, a wait period and the types of weapons that can be sold at a supermarket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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