PistoldPete Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 37 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: When Frank Lampard was in charge We had just sold PPS when Lampard was in charge so no reason to think we were not within FFP then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, PistoldPete said: We had just sold PPS when Lampard was in charge so no reason to think we were not within FFP then. Can someone help me out with the FFP over the Lampard era. We received points for that period which would be unfair if we were not over FFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmoram1995 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 The thing that stinks about the situation is before we go into boro and wycombes claims you have the following. • out of everything the stadium sale to me is far more dodgy compared with the amortisation policy but nothing has been done about it • Mel passed the fit and proper test • EFL agreed on our accounting policy in the first place • left mel to go unchallenged these points without mentioning the current things shows how totally inept the organisation is Miggins, Gritstone Tup and Hector was the best 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: Can someone help me out with the FFP over the Lampard era. We received points for that period which would be unfair if we were not over FFP But that was only after we had to redo our accounts with EFL's newly preferred amortisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, simmoram1995 said: The thing that stinks about the situation is before we go into boro and wycombes claims you have the following. • out of everything the stadium sale to me is far more dodgy compared with the amortisation policy but nothing has been done about it • Mel passed the fit and proper test • EFL agreed on our accounting policy in the first place • left mel to go unchallenged these points without mentioning the current things shows how totally inept the organisation is The stadium sale was just what many other clubs did. And EFL did charge us. And lost, quite spectacularly in fact. RoyMac5 and Indy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: We had just sold PPS when Lampard was in charge so no reason to think we were not within FFP then. Isn’t a 3 year rolling period? So you could be under one year but if you’re massively over the previous two then you get punished, the year furthest gone always gets knocked off on a rolling yearly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 https://intelligenceuk.com/index.php/2021/05/06/teesside-is-the-fraud-and-asset-stripping-hub-of-the-corrupt-establishment/ We talk about MM behaviour but here (long before MM) Gibson's nature was revealed. Crewton, Steve Buckley’s Dog, alexxxxx and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnstile Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: We had just sold PPS when Lampard was in charge so no reason to think we were not within FFP then. Pete would any money actually have come into the club though? Surely Morris only transferred it to another of his company names. Edited January 18, 2022 by Turnstile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/60040400.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Tup Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, simmoram1995 said: The thing that stinks about the situation is before we go into boro and wycombes claims you have the following. • out of everything the stadium sale to me is far more dodgy compared with the amortisation policy but nothing has been done about it • Mel passed the fit and proper test • EFL agreed on our accounting policy in the first place • left mel to go unchallenged these points without mentioning the current things shows how totally inept the organisation is Absolutely, agree on all points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammingStone66 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Oldben said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/60040400.amp I know they shouldn't do it and shouldn't need to do it but it does worry me slightly that none of the bidders will step up to put in a bid then fight the case. Miggins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, Turnstile said: Pete would any money actually have come into the club though? Surely Morris only transferred it to another of his company names. Yes it didn't help our cashflow but it still gave us a profit/ reduced losses. So kept us within FFP, as other clubs did as I say. Turnstile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RammingStone66 said: I know they shouldn't do it and shouldn't need to do it but it does worry me slightly that none of the bidders will step up to put in a bid then fight the case. Quote "If the claim has no prospect of success MFC does not understand why a new owner would not resolve the matter by accepting that the arbitration decision should be honoured." You'd think old Steve had never bought a business before. The only way anyone with more than half a brain would buy a business with multi-million pound claims against it, claims that are to be determined not in an actual Court but infront of a League Arbitration Panel notorious for their inconsistencies, is if the Vendor provided a watertight Indemnity backed by actual cash in Escrow or with another form of foolproof surety. That paragraph is completely disingenuous, designed to deceive those who want to believe what it infers. Edited January 18, 2022 by Crewton Kathcairns, uttoxram75 and RammingStone66 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 26 minutes ago, RammingStone66 said: I know they shouldn't do it and shouldn't need to do it but it does worry me slightly that none of the bidders will step up to put in a bid then fight the case. Wouldn't Derby fight this if they didn't need the money. Assuming you were a prospective buyer of Derby, a club almost in League one, and you needed to pay 50 million to buy the club. Now you get an extra 10 million for chance clubs from other teams. Would you pay an extra 10 million, I'm not sure most buyers would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Grumpy Git said: The administrators are making a poor fist of this. Strikes me they are as bad as the EFL in wanting this to magically "all go away"? Christ we all have some lazy buggers ruining (sic) our lives ATM? Why are you using (sic) here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, trekkie_ram said: Why are you using (sic) here? Ruining / running (take your pick). trekkie_ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, RammingStone66 said: I know they shouldn't do it and shouldn't need to do it but it does worry me slightly that none of the bidders will step up to put in a bid then fight the case. Would you trust the EFL not to screw the new owners by doing something like retrospectively giving Boro & Wycombe 'football creditor' status?! RammingStone66 and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, RammingStone66 said: I know they shouldn't do it and shouldn't need to do it but it does worry me slightly that none of the bidders will step up to put in a bid then fight the case. If we get through this that is a good thing surely. We want an owner who will not gamble next surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammingStone66 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, CBRammette said: If we get through this that is a good thing surely. We want an owner who will not gamble next surely. No but there are different levels of gambling. Not saying I want someone throwing mountains of cash around in a Mel Morris part 2 situation lol but not gambling at all could see us liquidated, who knows. The EFL don't seem to care if the club dies. Just that we have been punished "enough" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motley Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 8 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: This was going to be my point. How is it possible that the administrators have not figured this out? Are they lazy, incompetent or both? Or is there some other explanation in which they have figured this out and the EFL are simply ignoring them? David, can you please advise the administrators , or lead our counter claim… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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