Comrade 86 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Perhaps they might have promised MPs or Ministers they would respond. What an opportunity for us. We should be sending focused and concise messages that will move the dial when it comes to the business plan discussions. Not spleen venting unguided missiles No email from any fan or group thereof will 'move the dial'. It's incredibly naïve to even suggest as much. The purpose of the emails is simply to draw the EFL into open dialogue. In some regards, their position has been indefensible and as such, the more that any such 'arguments' are drawn into the public domain, the more likely it is that MPs and those who can exert a degree of influence will recognise the disingenuous nature of their actions and bring pressure to bear. By any standard, it's a more useful exercise than whining about other fans whilst doing nothing yourself. RadioactiveWaste, Indy, Steve How Hard? and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: I think they're responding because unlike yourself, they don't regard said correspondence as spleen-venting, unguided missiles at all. It seems that possibility has eluded your thinking completely which in all likelihood, will surprise very few DCFC forum members, if any at all. Since you've raised the 'issue', perhaps you might wish to consider why it is that they are happy to engage with us spleen-venters while you, a purported DCFC supporter sit idly by doing nothing more than making blithe assumptions on their behalf and patronising the entire forum in the process. Enough of this bland back and forth, just say what you mean.....? I think 'someone's' patience has gone... Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: No email from any fan or group thereof will 'move the dial'. It's incredibly naïve to even suggest as much. The purpose of the emails is simply to draw the EFL into open dialogue. In some regards, their position has been indefensible and as such, the more that any such 'arguments' are drawn into the public domain, the more likely it is that MPs and those who can exert a degree of influence will recognise the disingenuous nature of their actions and bring pressure to bear. By any standard, it's a more useful exercise than whining about other fans whilst doing nothing yourself. Its also providing them plenty of rope to hang themselves with. The more they can be coaxed into telling lies and highlighting their own failures, the more the pressure us going to be ramped up on them. Comrade 86, Steve How Hard?, SaffyRam and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Wignall12 said: Again ....Norfolkngood , and sorry to hear that ....so's mine . And Mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Just messing with you mate. It was a long time ago as she passed very young and I've nothing but fond memories. Hope you feel likewise. ? Did he know your Mum Hair Island?♂️ Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Make of this what you wish. The LAP findings an be found at: https://www.efl.com/contentassets/873a8914e09740d3b3a8848131ea10b8/efl-v-derby-county---appeal-decision.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: He's Norfolking longer with us......... Tree fell on him with storm Eunice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chester40 said: Enough of this bland back and forth, just say what you mean.....? I think 'someone's' patience has gone... You figure? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Its also providing them plenty of rope to hang themselves with. The more they can be coaxed into telling lies and highlighting their own failures, the more the pressure us going to be ramped up on them. Moving the debate. Can you remember how Mel suggested that TV money etc could be better distributed or something to that effect and was promoting RamsTV . Mel was concerned about the pyramid in the game. . What did the EFL do to DCFC after that other than go after us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Make of this what you wish. The LAP findings an be found at: https://www.efl.com/contentassets/873a8914e09740d3b3a8848131ea10b8/efl-v-derby-county---appeal-decision.pdf And fining DCFC £100,000 for the pleasure along with points deductions that goes someway to offset costs PS Spending Millions of pounds ? What about the money you receive from fining clubs left right and center and the money Derby have spent defending themselves and the money you have cost DCFC in lost revenue Edited February 19, 2022 by Curtains Added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, Norwichram2 said: I mean Borowill not Indy obvs! He's been exterminated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Make of this what you wish. The LAP findings an be found at: https://www.efl.com/contentassets/873a8914e09740d3b3a8848131ea10b8/efl-v-derby-county---appeal-decision.pdf Its all just so disingenuous. If the problem the Independent Disciplinary Commission conducted their proceedings then surely they should have been told that and reconvened. Comrade 86 and Indy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Its all just so disingenuous. If the problem the Independent Disciplinary Commission conducted their proceedings then surely they should have been told that and reconvened. I said I wouldn't come on here again today. But yes, exactly. The IDC should have been reconvened (if both parties agreed), or else a complete reconsideration of the charge from the start, with witnesses called again. Otherwise not only is the appeal panel making a judgment on accounting matters (which despite what Parry says , is exactly what they did) it is also not being fair to Derby who didn't have a right of appeal. And he is protesting too much about the rule change . They are in deep trouble, but i wil keep my powder dry on that for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 minute ago, PistoldPete said: I said I wouldn't come on here again today. But yes, exactly. The IDC should have been reconvened (if both parties agreed), or else a complete reconsideration of the charge from the start, with witnesses called again. Otherwise not only is the appeal panel making a judgment on accounting matters (which despite what Parry says , is exactly what they did) it is also not being fair to Derby who didn't have a right of appeal. And he is protesting too much about the rule change . They are in deep trouble, but i wil keep my powder dry on that for now. Spot on. If the LAP were not making a judgement then on what basis were we required to resubmit the accounts? Parrys logic is that we were made ro resubmit the accounts because the IDC did not listen to Professor Pope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Spot on. If the LAP were not making a judgement then on what basis were we required to resubmit the accounts? Parrys logic is that we were made ro resubmit the accounts because the IDC did not listen to Professor Pope? Give him enough rope...... Indy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Give him enough rope...... I just can't believe how much scrutiny he is opening them up to. The IDC ruled we were compliant with FRS102. Parry is saying that the LAP did not rule on it. So the question he must answer is...on what basis were DCFC ordered to resubmit their accounts, using a rule (which they have since confirmed) was not in place? CBRammette, Indy, Animal is a Ram and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, Curtains said: And fining DCFC £100,000 for the pleasure along with points deductions that goes someway to offset costs PS Spending Millions of pounds ? What about the money you receive from fining clubs left right and center and the money Derby have spent defending themselves and the money you have cost DCFC in lost revenue How about simply insisting Derby desist from using ERV policies in 2017/18 when this situation first arose. Had their checks and balances team done their jobs when reviewing the first set of accounts where residual values were used, there'd have been no need for two years of costly litigation. When Maguire first emailed them to highlight Derby's accounts, they wrote back stating they could not comment on said accounts (despite them being in the public domain) and that they perform 'multiple checks' themselves, the implication being that the didn't need his advice. They even suggesting he contact the team responsible himself if he wished to pursue the matter further! It is their staggering incompetence that led to millions being spent, though getting Parry to admit as much is a thankless task. Curtains, SaffyRam, Hector was the best and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: How about simply insisting Derby desist from using ERV policies in 2017/18 when this situation first arose. Had their checks and balances team done their jobs when reviewing the first set of accounts where residual values were used, there'd have been no need for two years of costly litigation. When Maguire first emailed them to highlight Derby's accounts, they wrote back stating they could not comment on said accounts (despite them being in the public domain) and that they perform 'multiple checks' themselves, the implication being that the didn't need his advice. They even suggesting he contact the team responsible himself if he wished to pursue the matter further! It is their staggering incompetence that led to millions being spent, though getting Parry to admit as much is a thankless task. What was Maguires agenda for highlighting this ! Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Curtains said: What was Maguires agenda for highlighting this ! Self promotion Steve How Hard?, Curtains, angieram and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chester40 said: Self promotion Why do RD entertain the bloke ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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