cheron85 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: Massive fuss being made about signing players when the players we're looking to sign are absolute crap anyway. That's how bad we are at the moment. Still, it could be the difference between relegation and survival Somewhat contradictory statements there - I'd have thought if the players are as bad as you claim then they would not be capable of keeping us up RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swollocks Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Surely Jagielka and Davies have to be the 1st signings if we can make any before the Huddersfield game, otherwise Cashin will have to play and he then becomes a player of professional standing meaning it`s one player less that we can sign? Carnero, Ram1988 and RamontheMoor 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, Rammy03 said: The only players out of that lot I'd sign are Morrison, Jagielka and Davies. Possibly Carroll. The rest are useless. What's happened with Wisdom? I haven't seen anything about him anywhere. The guy has just disappeared. Perhaps Wisdom has gone to sign for someone else. But it's alright questioning some of the trialists but as we saw from the January loans we need 'depth'. Who on earth will sign for us seeing what is going on?! FWIW I'd be happy for us to sign all the trialists, well bar Wisdom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, cheron85 said: Somewhat contradictory statements there - I'd have thought if the players are as bad as you claim then they would not be capable of keeping us up My point was that there is this huge fuss about signing the players when in reality they are not that good anyway. You would have thought after all this time that we'd have found someone better. But then again, with our situation it's basically impossible. These players will improve us in the sense that we have a bigger squad. But out on the pitch, I can't see there being a huge difference. We'll have senior centre backs finally, which will help keep us up. But that just shows how far we've fallen. I'd expect a club like Derby County to have a centre half on the books going into the first league game. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rammy03 said: My point was that there is this huge fuss about signing the players when in reality they are not that good anyway. You would have thought after all this time that we'd have found someone better. But then again, with our situation it's basically impossible. These players will improve us in the sense that we have a bigger squad. But out on the pitch, I can't see there being a huge difference. We'll have senior centre backs finally, which will help keep us up. But that just shows how far we've fallen. I'd expect a club like Derby County to have a centre half on the books going into the first league game. What a mess. I thought they all looked decent, and haven't most of them, bar Allsop? had careers higher than we are now (ie where we ended last season)? Edited August 5, 2021 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Rammy03 said: But that just shows how far we've fallen. I'd expect a club like Derby County to have a centre half on the books going into the first league game. What a mess. It's things like "how far we've fallen" that I find odd We've managed to attract these players to the club - Some who will have had offers from elsewhere - All without a firm contract on the table and only vague ideas of when they might get one - We're obviously still an interesting prospect who can attract players None of the delays are being caused by the club - The club have made it very clear they want to sign all the players ASAP - We're being held up by the EFL yet again Sheff Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, cheron85 said: None of the delays are being caused by the club - The club have made it very clear they want to sign all the players ASAP - We're being held up by the EFL yet again Why aren't the PFA getting involved in a 'restraint of trade' scenario? Carnero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I thought they all looked decent, and haven't most of them, bar Allsop? had careers higher than we are now (ie where we ended last season)? That doesn't mean they're any good now. I liked the look of Morrison and Jagielka. Baldock and Aluko are not very good. But, needs must. We're in a state and need any players we can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Okay, so Phil, Ravel, Curtis. We've sorted your zero hours contract. Ravel, see you at 11.30 to mark the pitch out. Phil, you're working in the ticket office from 9 til 12. Curtis, welcome back. You're doing the changing rooms after the game. Who's bringing the oranges? Hello? Guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Depth is our problem, particularly in defence. These signings will address that and enable us to provide a base for our talented youngsters to flourish. If Rooney signs all 8 I’m expecting us to stay up, I’m even expecting us to threaten the top half if he has anything about him. RoyMac5 and Betty Swollocks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why aren't the PFA getting involved in a 'restraint of trade' scenario? I dunno - But my understanding is that the PFA don't get involved on the behalf of clubs You could also easily argue that the players have every opportunity to go to any other club and sign for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I dunno - But my understanding is that the PFA don't get involved on the behalf of clubs You could also easily argue that the players have every opportunity to go to any other club and sign for free Yes but they could sign for us but only for cheap wages - how can that be ignored by your union? (Just wondering, but I imagine its down to closed shop and EFL making the rules.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 If we can get these signings done then I take it as a massive positive because these 8 lads have turned down other offers in some instances because they want to come here and be a part of it. That’s a great start. DCFC1388, Ram1988, Sidd10 and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I'm assuming they can't build in a clause into the contract that defers any wages over the limit until the embargo restrictions are lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, tinman said: I'm assuming they can't build in a clause into the contract that defers any wages over the limit until the embargo restrictions are lifted. Seeing as Fulham can sign a 12 million pound player but defer the payments to help them get around FFP at the same time as receiving parachute payments and not even hide it, I'd say we can do what the hell we want. Right? Edited August 5, 2021 by MackworthRamIsGod Hector was the best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Yes but they could sign for us but only for cheap wages - how can that be ignored by your union? (Just wondering, but I imagine its down to closed shop and EFL making the rules.) I don't think at this point the club want to make any more issues between them and the EFL - If we sneakily got the PFA involved by doing that it wouldn't be in the spirit of cooperation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, cheron85 said: I don't think at this point the club want to make any more issues between them and the EFL - If we sneakily got the PFA involved by doing that it wouldn't be in the spirit of cooperation We've had players bring the PFA in! But yeah I was thinking that they could see what was happening, without us asking. I think we are trying to cooperate with the EFL - last nights meeting surely had something to do with the bit in the regs about 'fans meetings'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, tinman said: I'm assuming they can't build in a clause into the contract that defers any wages over the limit until the embargo restrictions are lifted. I can think of a bunch of ways around it Week to week playing contract, very high performance related bonuses, clause which guarantees a contract re-negotiation after 5 games played However - I think the EFL would see that as a sneak to get around their embargo and would block the registrations - Plus they would probably take that as an indication of our non-cooperation and take their very sweet time over everything else Everything is taking time because the EFL move at a glacial pace - We've all seen this with the tribunal process so it's not a shock - But anything we try to get around them will just cause more and more issues We're being left up the creek without a paddle and the organisers of the expedition are faffing around deciding whether our boat is a regulation length and how many people it can hold - But if we try to do anything else they'll take out a flare gun and shoot a hole through our hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gccrowdpleaser Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: Why aren't the PFA getting involved in a 'restraint of trade' scenario? No restraint of trade. They are free to go and sign for any other club that wants them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: How do you know? Nixon’s story didn’t have time to post it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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