The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Or maybe I'm not seeing people who are happy to go along with the latest round of BS.

People who first time around were praising the Government, are now seeing through their rubbish.

If people are so happy to go along with the latest restrictions why are there so many ignoring the mandatory mask wearing rule?

Think it would be very interesting if the Government tried to impose another lockdown.

 

They cant impose another lockdown, there would be riots after party gate. Boris knows that if he goes down that path,  he's toast.

Now that would a great reason to party!!!

 

[Norman]

47 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Or maybe I'm not seeing people who are happy to go along with the latest round of BS.

People who first time around were praising the Government, are now seeing through their rubbish.

If people are so happy to go along with the latest restrictions why are there so many ignoring the mandatory mask wearing rule?

Think it would be very interesting if the Government tried to impose another lockdown.

 

Even the government is facing huge internal pressure, evidenced by the vote yesterday. 

Why are the people who seem so sure of there intellectual prowess so often the least self-aware?

[G STAR RAM]

17 minutes ago, Norman said:

Even the government is facing huge internal pressure, evidenced by the vote yesterday. 

Why are the people who seem so sure of there intellectual prowess so often the least self-aware?

Is that an example of a self evident truth? Im still not sure what they are.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Norman said:

Even the government is facing huge internal pressure, evidenced by the vote yesterday. 

Why are the people who seem so sure of there intellectual prowess so often the least self-aware?

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[Archied]

6 hours ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

They cant impose another lockdown, there would be riots after party gate. Boris knows that if he goes down that path,  he's toast.

Now that would a great reason to party!!!

 

I’m not so sure we are there yet, from what I’m seeing and hearing lots still think we are all going to die if we don’t go along with stuff like work from home but go to the office party , they know that’s stupid but the nagging fear at the back of the mind keeps them in just in case mode , it’s far more likely people will accept the rules but break them themselves on the QT believing we will be ok if everybody else follows them 

[Bob The Badger]

7 hours ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

They cant impose another lockdown, there would be riots after party gate. Boris knows that if he goes down that path,  he's toast.

Now that would a great reason to party!!!

 

There were riots in the Netherlands and they still imposed the lockdown.

I doubt there will be one, however.

[Gone]

As a few have worked out I’m not a scientist, however I know some of your are. So can someone explain how South Africa has a higher immunity than the UK, and how their hospitalisations will be lower than ours even with the amount we have vaccinated? 

 

[Bob The Badger]

6 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Is that an example of a self evident truth? Im still not sure what they are.

Clearly.

Here is what @GboroRam said:

The vocal posters in this thread probably are a minority. Most people are quietly just dealing with it and not arguing, aren't happy but are putting up with the disruption and pain.

I've been in M & S and Tesco in Truro and both Asda and Tesco in St Austell this week as well as B & Q.

Here's what I have observed.

The overwhelming majority of people wearing masks. I only saw more than 2 people not wearing a mask in one place and that was Marks, where I saw 3. I only saw 1 person in Asda (the biggest of all the stores) other than an older guy in a wheelchair on oxygen.

I'd say the figure was around the 2% of people not wearing masks.

That's kinda self evident, but I know you and @Norman will probably come back with some devastating retort pointing out that that is just anecdotal, which would be true.

But self evident truths are anecdotal, because ya know, they're self evident. Meaning you can clearly see for yourself.

A self evident truth would be that the M25 appears to be busier on a Friday at 5 pm than on at 4 am on a Sunday morning to anybody who drives on it. Few people would want scientific data to believe such a statement.

My self evident truth is local, so if I lived in a bubble there could be an argument for suggesting this area of Cornwall is an outlier.

But it isn't.

There are no stories of riots. No media reports of massive problems with people refusing to wear masks on public transport. And no social media buzz about an imminent uprising.

Of course there are many people unhappy with the situation as GB pointed out, but it's self evident that most are just getting on with their lives.

NOW, if there were hundreds of posters in this thread as there are members, you could make a case for saying it's self evident that most people are indeed arguing and highly vocal.

But as there are less than 1% of members (figure plucked out my ass tbf, but I doubt it's more) that adds more weight to it being self evident that @GboroRam was on the money.

You can hold your hands up to being wrong again although I fear you're going to get repetitive strain injury at this rate.

[PistoldPete]

5 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

As a few have worked out I’m not a scientist, however I know some of your are. So can someone explain how South Africa has a higher immunity than the UK, and how their hospitalisations will be lower than ours even with the amount we have vaccinated? 

 

They are younger than us. 

[GboroRam]

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(21)00557-2/fulltext

Conclusions

This study's significant results show that face mask mandates were associated with lower COVID-19 deaths rates compared with countries without mandates. These findings support use of face masks to prevent excess COVID-19 deaths, and should be advised during airborne disease epidemics.

Next time some one says there's no point in wearing a face covering, please remind them of this real world study. 

[Gone]

 

25 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

Here is what @GboroRam said:

The vocal posters in this thread probably are a minority. Most people are quietly just dealing with it and not arguing, aren't happy but are putting up with the disruption and pain

I don’t believe the vocal posters are in the minority who are disgruntled with the current restrictions. However I think being upset by them doesn’t mean you won’t follow the rules hence your observations.
Now there comes the point where this will change, any restrictions on seeing families and friends or god forbid a tier system/ lockdown will see a sway in people not happy putting up with that disruption and will either ignore it or demonstrate against it, imo anyway. You will however have those two camps who will agree with more restrictions, one being those who say they are happy with the rules and they are the right thing to do but break them anyway, and the other who are so scared they will hide away forever. These two camps won’t be upset by any of the restrictions.  

Edited December 16, 2021 by TexasRam

[Gone]

29 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

They are younger than us. 

Ok, good point. However we have a much higher vaccination rate, surely that and the amount of “positive cases” so natural immunity we have had gives us greater protection ? 

[Archied]

1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

They are younger than us. 

That’s not immunity 

[Bob The Badger]

45 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(21)00557-2/fulltext

Conclusions

This study's significant results show that face mask mandates were associated with lower COVID-19 deaths rates compared with countries without mandates. These findings support use of face masks to prevent excess COVID-19 deaths, and should be advised during airborne disease epidemics.

Next time some one says there's no point in wearing a face covering, please remind them of this real world study. 

Yikes, that is a much bigger difference than I was expecting when I clicked through.

Here's what I predict however.

One of 3 or 4 posters will focus on the word may in the report headline and say 'See, they're guessing, they don't even know, that's not proof' or something along those lines.

And all of the other mask deniers will ignore it a bit like they ignore the fact that frontline hospital staff already have to have other vaccines as a condition of employment.

 

 

[maxjam]

Interesting news coming out of America this morning at Cornell University... 

An outbreak of approx 1k omincron infections at a university that is 97% vaccinated and has strict mask mandate both indoors and out.  Nearly all of the infections are in the vaccinated, many of whom have had the booster.  Thankfully and despite all the scaremongering over here all of the cases are mild.

The more stories like this that appear continue to add to the weight of evidence that vaccine passports simply don't and won't work.  Apart from being morally wrong and open to abuse by Governments, they won't protect the vulnerable, they will increase stress on the NHS (sacking unvaccinated) and they will prolong the pandemic. 

 

[maxjam]

1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

They are younger than us. 

 

1 hour ago, TexasRam said:

Ok, good point. However we have a much higher vaccination rate, surely that and the amount of “positive cases” so natural immunity we have had gives us greater protection ? 

 

Ah so we didn't need to vaccinate our young (and kids) after all ?

TBH I guess its wise to be cautious, but if the impending doom doesn't come to fruition, the Govt and Sage will have no credibility left. 

There is already a lot of pushback to further restrictions from both within the Govt and the public, if omicron turns out to be a storm in a teacup its the end of the pandemic. 

[Eddie]

15 minutes ago, maxjam said:

Interesting news coming out of America this morning at Cornell University... 

<snip>

<idle speculation>

Perhaps Omicron is a 'more benign but more contagious mutation' and this pandemic is following the pattern of the 1918-1920 Influenza one. Not banking on it because it's too early to say, but it's possible.

</idle speculation>

[ariotofmyown]

2 minutes ago, Eddie said:

<idle speculation>

Perhaps Omicron is a 'more benign but more contagious mutation' and this pandemic is following the pattern of the 1918-1920 Influenza one. Not banking on it because it's too early to say, but it's possible.

</idle speculation>

Is it perhaps more benign because of the high level of vaccinations and now boosters? If so, this highly contagious variant could be a worry for unvaccinated adults.

I hope we don't end up in the volatile situation where we have to lockdown again to mainly protect the unvaccinated. 

[Tamworthram]

26 minutes ago, maxjam said:

Interesting news coming out of America this morning at Cornell University... 

An outbreak of approx 1k omincron infections at a university that is 97% vaccinated and has strict mask mandate both indoors and out.  Nearly all of the infections are in the vaccinated, many of whom have had the booster.  Thankfully and despite all the scaremongering over here all of the cases are mild.

The more stories like this that appear continue to add to the weight of evidence that vaccine passports simply don't and won't work.  Apart from being morally wrong and open to abuse by Governments, they won't protect the vulnerable, they will increase stress on the NHS (sacking unvaccinated) and they will prolong the pandemic. 

 

I think the mask wearing statement is probably a red herring. I suspect the rigorously enforced mask wearing only applies whilst the students are on campus during the day. Something tells me that, unless they’re unlike your stereotypical students, there will be plenty of “socialising” without masks going on.

[Bob The Badger]

1 hour ago, TexasRam said:

 

I don’t believe the vocal posters are in the minority who are disgruntled with the current restrictions. However I think being upset by them doesn’t mean you won’t follow the rules hence your observations.
Now there comes the point where this will change, any restrictions on seeing families and friends or god forbid a tier system/ lockdown will see a sway in people not happy putting up with that disruption and will either ignore it or demonstrate against it, imo anyway. You will however have those two camps who will agree with more restrictions, one being those who say they are happy with the rules and they are the right thing to do but break them anyway, and the other who are so scared they will hide away forever. These two camps won’t be upset by any of the restrictions.  

You could be right.