Ellafella Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2020/sep/17/Derby-county-louie-sibley-wayne-rooney-championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Link doesn’t seem to work - but worth a read. Good article about our player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2020/sep/17/Derby-county-louie-sibley-wayne-rooney-championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2020/sep/17/Derby-county-louie-sibley-wayne-rooney-championship Cheers @reverendo de duivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 He's going to be great to watch when we can get him facing the other way. Having his back to goal has made him look pretty poor where often his second touch is a tackle but we know he's so much better than that. Just need to create that space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Once he learns where to put that aggression, he’s going to be some player. At the moment he’s a bit of a liability discipline wise, but there’s nothing wrong with the sort of desire he shows. Once he directs all of that towards his play on the ball, he’ll be a force to re reckoned with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, Alpha said: He's going to be great to watch when we can get him facing the other way. Having his back to goal has made him look pretty poor where often his second touch is a tackle but we know he's so much better than that. Just need to create that space. Absolutely. He has to be played in a midfield position where he can “come on” to the ball and run at teams. That’s his USP along with his tenacity and his engine and his shooting. Playing him too advanced is reducing his potency, ironically. His goals come from running on to the ball whilst facing the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Nice to have newspaper article that isn't ridiculously negative about us. Sibley is good, but hes not a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Nice to have newspaper article that isn't ridiculously negative about us. Sibley is good, but hes not a striker. Agreed @RadioactiveWaste. It’s great that we’re being recognised as a Club who are giving the Youngsters a go. Perhaps though we need the Club to manage our expectations more. It looks like Cocu’s system is going to take longer to reach fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Now here's a crazy notion... Anyone think that Sibley would actually be very useful playing a little deeper - perhaps even alongside Rooney - and being allowed to travel with the ball more? For starters he's be facing the right way more often and he has that special ability to break a line and make some space. Might even work if he swapped roles with Max Bird, who I actually think would be quite good with his back to goal when we have the vball, and an ideal forward 'defender' to press the opposition further up the pitch when they have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 He's our best player for me. He's unbelievably productive for such a young player and has an outrageous amount of talent. He's not a striker, no, but I think you're seeing Championship teams make a strategy to keep him quiet. Reading stuck two men on him and didn't want the ball anywhere near him. Bird is a talented footballer, with great vision. Sibley is the first player this club has produced since Giles Barnes that can have an impact on the stat sheets, i.e. goals and assists. I do find it funny that he's said that he's added Rooney's aggression to his game when he's definitely (not arguably) the most naturally aggressive player I've seen at Derby. I think every game in the U18s he was guaranteed a yellow card for getting into the face of the opposition. I think running the ball from our box to set up Archie Brown for a tap in and then celebrating over the Arsenal keeper shows what kind of player he is - and he definitely won't make many friends on the pitch outside of Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, StarterForTen said: Now here's a crazy notion... Anyone think that Sibley would actually be very useful playing a little deeper - perhaps even alongside Rooney - and being allowed to travel with the ball more? For starters he's be facing the right way more often and he has that special ability to break a line and make some space. Might even work if he swapped roles with Max Bird, who I actually think would be quite good with his back to goal when we have the vball, and an ideal forward 'defender' to press the opposition further up the pitch when they have it. He's incredibly sloppy when attempting to win the ball back, couple that with his aggression and I think it would be a nightmare to have him in a deeper position with the opposition playing around him. He'd be giving FKs away constantly, I think. His passing also isn't very good. So you'd be putting him deep entirely on the back of the concept of him running further with the ball, but being deep doesn't mean you always get the ball in space, or with space to run into. Non-starter, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Absolutely. He has to be played in a midfield position where he can “come on” to the ball and run at teams. That’s his USP along with his tenacity and his engine and his shooting. Playing him too advanced is reducing his potency, ironically. His goals come from running on to the ball whilst facing the opposition. That’s the problem isn’t it, last season the striker who isn’t allowed to be named would drop in while a sibley would run off him. So far this season Sibley is coming towards the ball and Marriott runs off into nowhere or just stands marking the defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 In terms of formation ostensibly we haven't been playing him in a different position to last season, no radical change of placement when you write the team down, but yes he has been playing too far forward to be effective. However the reason for that lies more in other players, or specifically the inclusion of one player (Marriott) than any innate desire of the management to see him further up the field and receiving the ball with his back to goal under close attention from opposition defenders. The simple fact is that if you're playing Marriott as a lone striker you have to have someone else move further up the field than they otherwise would in an attempt to offer him support, and in our 4-2-3-1 the player that ends up being Sibley. To avoid that being the case you'd either need to move Sibley to one of the wider positions (which requires having someone suitable for the central position) or switching to a 4-3-3 with Sibley as one of the midfielders, but then you're isolating Marriott who isn't really suited to playing on his own up top. The way our squad is at present every solution presented then creates it's own problem(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, Ambitious said: He's our best player for me. He's unbelievably productive for such a young player and has an outrageous amount of talent. He's not a striker, no, but I think you're seeing Championship teams make a strategy to keep him quiet. Reading stuck two men on him and didn't want the ball anywhere near him. Bird is a talented footballer, with great vision. Sibley is the first player this club has produced since Giles Barnes that can have an impact on the stat sheets, i.e. goals and assists. I do find it funny that he's said that he's added Rooney's aggression to his game when he's definitely (not arguably) the most naturally aggressive player I've seen at Derby. I think every game in the U18s he was guaranteed a yellow card for getting into the face of the opposition. I think running the ball from our box to set up Archie Brown for a tap in and then celebrating over the Arsenal keeper shows what kind of player he is - and he definitely won't make many friends on the pitch outside of Derby. Great post. I love his natural, raw aggression and hope he keeps it. Fans love players who show that commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Millenniumram said: Once he learns where to put that aggression, he’s going to be some player. At the moment he’s a bit of a liability discipline wise, but there’s nothing wrong with the sort of desire he shows. Once he directs all of that towards his play on the ball, he’ll be a force to re reckoned with. Pretty much agree with all that but I quite like that maverick side to him. He certainly won't be bullied by anyone just ask Scott Mctominay. You're quite right though once it's channelled correctly he will be a force to be reckoned with. You have to be careful not to nullify it too much whilst he's still learning. I think he's already taken some steps in controlling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I keep hearing about "facing the right way" but good midfield players, which I think young Louis is, should be capable, if necessary, to receive the ball, retain it and turn their man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Thanks for posting the article @Ellafella and I would like it even more if you can change the s to an e in your title.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Louie Beat me @angieram ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superzak Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 i keep hearing about our emerging stars from the academy but i think we are overrating them out of neccessity to put out a team...i have seen no future william Hughes ..his star celebrity at this club is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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