Derbyram1 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 This is such a Derby fans type of thread, nothing like a good player bashing prior to the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Alpha said: Forsyth is definitely underrated and under appreciated. He frustrates but he's better than lots of left backs outside the PL. He's very very strong. If he goes up for a header then he wins it. He's rapid but doesn't look it because it's the big strides that do it. He has a wicked cross that he hits low and hard to the 6 yard area. His passing just goes between fine and total donkey. Forgivable though I agree with every word of this, with one qualification. He simply MUST be confident. If his confidence is shot, as it was in 2017/18, he's crap. If he's on it, as he was in 2013/14, when he was fit in 2018/19 and flashes in between, he's up there with the best full backs in the league. His height and strength are really useful too, as you point out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Will Hughes (sorry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Underrated Anya, Roos, Evans, Malone, the now departed Bradders Johnson. Chris Martin. overrated Mount, Wilson, Tomori, Lampard, jodi Morris, Bryson, Ince, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Over rated - all Derby County players, managers, owners....... ever. Under rated - all Derby County players, managers, owners....... ever. We are Derby County fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Van Cone De Head said: I'm sorry, but he's played in patches for Watford. Not Liverpool or England, Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Underrated Anya, Roos, Evans, Malone, the now departed Bradders Johnson. Chris Martin. overrated Mount, Wilson, Tomori, Lampard, jody Morris, Bryson, Ince, Yes. It still baffles me how people can claim he did a great job when we literally have no ducking idea what his impact was. What pisses me off more than anything is that he gets used in the agenda against Darren Wassall, with people claiming that the academy only did so well last season because of Morris' mere presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDerby Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 UNDERRATED - Butterfield Jozefzoon Lawrence Huddlestone Wisdom OVERRATED - Bennett Bogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteroseram Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Past or present: Andy Oakes- underrated--seems forgotten about but I was a massive fan, Arguably the best stand in we've had in modern times (back up to the best keeper we've had in modern times) Taribo west-overrated- he was quality at times in his career, but I don't remember it here. I remember him going awol though Lee Morris--underrated- not a massive natural talent but worked hard and got everywhere. An element of Nugent in there. Eddie Lewis- overrated- everyone thought he was poo, I'd argue he was much worse than poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Underrated: Warnock (Stephen, not Colin!) Rowett (But he’s still a tool) Vydra Waghorn Huddlestone Davies (lot of criticism for his ball play which I think is unfair, he’s competent at that and by far the best defender to pull on a Derby shirt this century Imo) Johnson Weimann Overrated: Forsyth (Weak link in 13/14, passing ability isn’t acceptable at this level) Russell post 2014/15 Hendrick Bryson (Derby legend but sorry, he really was only a one season wonder) Buxton Basically most the 13/14 squad wasn’t actually individually that good, they just were amazing as a team and held together by an absolute genius in will Hughes, who is the best player to play for Derby by a mile in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: I'm sorry, but he's played in patches for Watford. Not Liverpool or England, Watford. What do you mean then by overrated ? He was a regular in the Watford team last year that finished in a good position in the PL and also reached the FA cup final. No other player that we have owned in the past 10 years played in a team that finished as high as Watford. He is the arguably the best youth academy player we have ever produced EVER. He is still only 24. No he doesn’t play for Liverpool who won the CL, or England who reached the WC semi final of which both have world class players, so I suppose it’s what you mean by overrated, is he the world best midfielder, no, would he still be Derby’s best player if he was here, for me yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: I'm sorry, but he's played in patches for Watford. Not Liverpool or England, Watford. Hahaha,you’re getting better at this stirring malaky,i’ll give you that. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Rambe33 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: The title says it all. Can include players and managers past and present. Underrated: Martyn Waghorn - We’ve got one of the best strikers in the league and people don’t even appreciate it. Ikechi Anya - Purely because he isn’t as poo as people make out. Harry Wilson. Gary Rowett. Jacob Butterfield. Overrated: Tom Lawrence. Post-2014 George Thorne. Fikayo Tomori - Great but overhyped. Will Hughes (sorry). Surely a wind up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 This: 2 hours ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Martyn Waghorn - We’ve got one of the best strikers in the league and people don’t even appreciate it. ..and this: 1 hour ago, admira said: Marriott (I'd start him every game), ....now how to play them together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, AdamRam said: No he doesn’t play for Liverpool who won the CL, or England who reached the WC semi final of which both have world class players, so I suppose it’s what you mean by overrated, is he the world best midfielder, no, would he still be Derby’s best player if he was here, for me yes. But that was a lot of fans' perceptions of where he would end up. He may still do, but I doubt it. Hence why I think he's overrated. I also agree that he would be our best player if he came back, but that doesn't mean our fans didn't have an inflated opinion of his ability. Overrated doesn't mean crap! 9 minutes ago, Van Cone De Head said: Hahaha,you’re getting better at this stirring malaky,i’ll give you that. I rest my case. You're right, that goal had everything. The genius to think of trying it, the balls to actually try it and the unbelievable technique to pull it off. I really should have put Darren Bent in the underrated category, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Present players Marriott - overrated Davies - underrated Past players Bryson, Mount, Barker - overrated Hendrick, Vydra, Coutts, Theo Robinson - underrated Managers Lampard - overrated Wassall and Billy Davies - underrated Forum members OK, let’s not go there. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edtheram Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Underrated. Lawrence - Hes an attacker he should be assisting and scoring not rated on his defensive play Wilson - Game changer which many didn't like for his "work rate", see above. Ince - See above both lines. Evans - was class at the back v Bristol last season, many have wrote him off but i think he can turn out good Overrated. Russell - effort good, quality lacking Weimann - effort good but another Mr no end result Nugent - Useless in his last season and a half Carson - average and lives off of past accolades Lowe - thought he was average when he played for us last season, hes young yes but i dont think he is anywhere near the level of Bogle or the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 People really seem to be missing the point of my original post. Just because I think Butters if underrated and Hughes is overrated does not mean that I think the former is better than the latter. Hughes was and is a fantastic player and I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but, as stated, I think fans thought he was better than he was. Anya is average, which means he's underrated because many think he's awful. Tomori is very good, which means he's overrated because many think he's the Messiah. Waghorn is very good, which means he's underrated because some think him merely good. Lawrence, for me, is average, which means he's overrated because many think he's very good (although he has got his fair share of detractors). Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I need an actual time line as I have far to many underrated and even more overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, whiteroseram said: Past or present: Andy Oakes- underrated--seems forgotten about but I was a massive fan, Arguably the best stand in we've had in modern times (back up to the best keeper we've had in modern times) Taribo west-overrated- he was quality at times in his career, but I don't remember it here. I remember him going awol though Lee Morris--underrated- not a massive natural talent but worked hard and got everywhere. An element of Nugent in there. Eddie Lewis- overrated- everyone thought he was poo, I'd argue he was much worse than poo Where to start with this one; Lee Morris, absolute crock, I only remember him starting once or twice (exagerating for effect but not far off that!) and we paid what, 2m-3m for him?? Oakes, barely played, 43 games in 6 years? so i have no idea. Eddie Lewis I actually thought was almost ok. like not good, but tried to make things happen Taribo was just playing for a joke I think, he could just swan off at the end of the season regardless of his performances (he was amazing tho!) Now, underrated - how about Paul McGrath? Absolutely broken as a man, couldn't train, still (alledgedly) an alcoholic at the time, just turned up every Saturday 5 to 3, and just knew where the ball would be before the opposition had even thought about kicking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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