Wolfie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: More people in the UK voted for parties with a remain position than a leave position in the latest election, so it would say it's entirely undemocratic for them to have no representation in this process. FPTP ensured the size of the majority, not the actual numbers. Except that you can't say that because Labour didn't have a Remain position and their proposal still had a Leave option in their second referendum. There will have been Labour voters who were wanting to vote for their soft Brexit option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: More people in the UK voted for parties with a remain position than a leave position in the latest election, so I would say it's entirely undemocratic for them to have no representation in this process. FPTP ensured the size of the majority, not the actual numbers. I believe Corbyn had lots of chances to be involved before. But chose to put party before his own beliefs. Didn't work out well in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: Good point, GboroRam. The onus is now on the leavers to prove that they have what it takes to deliver. To any leavers on this forum, if it goes as badly as a lot of people suspect it may, will you admit you were wrong? I will gladly hold my hands up if everything goes swimmingly from here. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A Ram for All Seasons Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ossieram said: Who in their right mind removes the biggest single bargaining tool they have before going into negotiations? Yeah, like come on EU, slap big tariffs on all the goods we're doing our best to try to sell to you, not to mention the services. It's going to hurt you more than it will hurt us. We'll even shorten the deadline. Glad I'm not doing the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: ....or some other bogeyman they will create to cover their own inadequacies. Foreigners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: I can't see any improved deal than EU membership. But the great thing is, it's not my problem any more. It's Boris'. If he gets a good deal, great. If he doesn't - what will you say? He'll say it was all Labour's fault. That's all he ever says It's nearly a week since the election was won, but he's still going on about Labour - go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: Yeah, like come on EU, slap big tariffs on all the goods we're doing our best to try to sell to you, not to mention the services. It's going to hurt you more than it will hurt us. We'll even shorten the deadline. Glad I'm not doing the negotiations. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article-7796929/The-eurozones-economy-suffers-worst-quarterly-performance-2013.html Time to play hardball is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, cstand said: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article-7796929/The-eurozones-economy-suffers-worst-quarterly-performance-2013.html Time to play hardball is now. That’s why we want to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, cstand said: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article-7796929/The-eurozones-economy-suffers-worst-quarterly-performance-2013.html Time to play hardball is now. Genuine question - do you think our economy will automatically boom when we leave the EU, if the EU itself is struggling with growth? My gut feeling is that our economic destinies will be fatefully intertwined regardless of whether we are a member of the EU or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Genuine question - do you think our economy will automatically boom when we leave the EU, if the EU itself is struggling with growth? My gut feeling is that our economic destinies will be fatefully intertwined regardless of whether we are a member of the EU or not Unless we decide to go for a hard Brexit. When we'll crash regardless of how the EU performs But all that is immaterial, let's get Brexit done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Van Wolfie said: There must be "off the shelf" deals that have been agreed with other countries that can be used as a starting template and amended from there?. Norway, Iceland, Switzerland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, alexxxxx said: Norway, Iceland, Switzerland... Cayman Islands.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 For goodness sake the remoaners are at it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Genuine question - do you think our economy will automatically boom when we leave the EU, if the EU itself is struggling with growth? I know you didn't ask me but, for my two penneth: 1. IMO there will be an upturn in the UK once a deal is in place due to 3 years of delayed investment decisions starting to be given the green light. We'll probably start to see this in the new year - growing slowly until any trade deal is settled. My company has already seen an increase in orders since last Friday. 2. Increased government spending will boost the economy. 10 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: My gut feeling is that our economic destinies will be fatefully intertwined regardless of whether we are a member of the EU or not 3. Even if the EU continues to struggle, in theory we will have fewer of our eggs in the one basket and so it will be less of a drag on us. The assumption being that we have trade deals with other countires/blocs in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Genuine question while we’re at it will the Germans still want to sell BMW cars to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Curtains said: Genuine question while we’re at it will the Germans still want to sell BMW cars to us I do fear that the conundrum of tariffs is lost on many here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Curtains said: Genuine question while we’re at it will the Germans still want to sell BMW cars to us Obviously yes. But the tarrifs will no doubt be up for discussion. At which point we will discover quite how much of a premium British BMW owners are willing to pay for their chance to drive round in a twatmobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: I know you didn't ask me but, for my two penneth: 1. IMO there will be an upturn in the UK once a deal is in place due to 3 years of delayed investment decisions starting to be given the green light. We'll probably start to see this in the new year - growing slowly until any trade deal is settled. My company has already seen an increase in orders since last Friday. 2. Increased government spending will boost the economy. 3. Even if the EU continues to struggle, in theory we will have fewer of our eggs in the one basket and so it will be less of a drag on us. The assumption being that we have trade deals with other countires/blocs in place. As always - a balanced answer and bonus points for not mentioning Corbyn, Labour or Remoaners. Other posters take note - it is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, SchtivePesley said: Obviously yes. But the tarrifs will no doubt be up for discussion. At which point we will discover quite how much of a premium British BMW owners are willing to pay for their chance to drive round in a twatmobile So what’s your car then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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