The Politics Thread 2019

[1of4]

Looks like a no deal brexit could be back on the agenda.

[GboroRam]

1 minute ago, 1of4 said:

Looks like a no deal brexit could back on the agenda.

Well, it's what we all wanted all along.

Honestly I'm now at the point where I can just sit back and let the Brexit supporters sort it all out. They've said this will be easy and quick, they just need to get on with it. I'm sure it'll not be a disaster.

[GboroRam]

7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-workers-rights-environment-climate-change-election-a9248611.html

Boris Johnson has fuelled fears that workers’ rights and environmental safeguards will be ditched after Brexit after the government watered down a promise to enshrine them in law.

Downing Street suggested that the prime minister is no longer committed to pledges, made to MPs before the general election, to guarantee that standards will not be weakened when Britain leaves the EU.

The pledges were made by Mr Johnson and his team in October as they attempted to convince MPs to vote for the prime minister’s Brexit deal.

 

I sincerely hope this is sensationalist journalism, but deep down, in my old socialist heart, I know its true....I am genuinely sad for the future of my country. 

 

I'm sure Boris wasn't lying. He'll not go back on his word.

[Norman]

22 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

Looks like a no deal brexit could be back on the agenda.

And I should hope so from a negotiating standpoint. We have a majority government that will pass the original bill anyway. Never been in a stronger position to grab some last minute concessions. 

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

25 minutes ago, Norman said:

And I should hope so from a negotiating standpoint. We have a majority government that will pass the original bill anyway. Never been in a stronger position to grab some last minute concessions. 

Great, and if we dont get those concessions we all get to eat a big bit of a turd sandwich as no deal happens. Well done us.

[WhiteHorseRam]

18 hours ago, FindernRam said:

Many moons ago up there I was the intended victim of a street mugging, but a "Glasgow kiss" and showing him how to kick a ball took care of that, the copper that happened by said if I'd kicked him harder he "wud nae be makin s'much row". Different times.

Actually most Scots I know (I have family connections) are very nice people, do not want to split and don't really like the SNP due to their incompetence with things they can control!

Many moons ago I swapped around all the lids on someone's felt tips. But, hey, different times.

The SNP must be fairly confident they can win a second indyref … they will disappear in a puff of smoke if they lose that one.

Guessing Boris will divert the DUP bung money.

[A Ram for All Seasons]

41 minutes ago, Norman said:

Never been in a stronger position to grab some last minute concessions.

The whole purpose of the EU is to enable the 28 member states to stand up to Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping. Now it's Boris's turn to stand up to the remaining 27 member states, as well as Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping.

Who is going to get the better deal?

[Norman]

16 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Great, and if we dont get those concessions we all get to eat a big bit of a turd sandwich as no deal happens. Well done us.

Well, no, because a deal is already in place that Parliament will pass. Well done us.

[Norman]

6 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

The whole purpose of the EU is to enable the 28 member states to stand up to Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping. Now it's Boris's turn to stand up to the remaining 27 member states. Who is going to get the better deal?

So you wouldn't use your massive majority parliament to negotiate a better deal in the next 40 days?

Thank God you aren't doing the negotiating. Let's not forget, he already got a deal many said was impossible already. Done a good job of standing up to them so far.

[GboroRam]

4 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

The whole purpose of the EU is to enable the 28 member states to stand up to Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping. Now it's Boris's turn to stand up to the remaining 27 member states. Who is going to get the better deal?

Don't worry about it, ARFAS. It's now down to the Brexit supporters to deliver what they say they can deliver. I think the less we say, the better. They need to own these negotiations now and come back with everything they promised.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

3 minutes ago, Norman said:

Well, no, because a deal is already in place that Parliament will pass. Well done us.

So our Parliament pass it, what if the EU reject it? The full trade deal is miles away from being done and as we have seen with any other nation trying to do a deal with Europe, it takes a lot longer than a year.

[GboroRam]

7 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

So our Parliament pass it, what if the EU reject it? The full trade deal is miles away from being done and as we have seen with any other nation trying to do a deal with Europe, it takes a lot longer than a year.

Why would the EU reject the deal that we'd negotiated with them?

What kind of outfit negotiates a deal, then refuses it?

Oh.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

7 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Why would the EU reject the deal that we'd negotiated with them?

What kind of outfit negotiates a deal, then refuses it?

Oh.

That's the thing though, the deal isn't done with the EU. The withdrawal agreement is, the trade deal is not. If Boris thinks they will just accept the first thing he puts in front of them then he is even more stupid than I thought.

[GboroRam]

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

That's the thing though, the deal isn't done with the EU. The withdrawal agreement is, the trade deal is not. If Boris thinks they will just accept the first thing he puts in front of them then he is even more stupid than I thought.

The amusing, yet slightly terrifying, part is - it doesn't matter what you think any more. They will go ahead with the negotiations how they want.

I heard on the radio that Boris intends to legislate to prevent extending the transition past the current end date, so they are fixated on giving themselves a cliff-edge to work to. No problem, lets let them crack on and get Brexit done. I'm watching with intense curiosity as to how well they will do.

It's Boris' Brexit now, doesn't matter if we object or not. 

[ossieram]

Yeah big bad Boris and his team are putting no deal back on the table! If the lilly livered Labour party hadn't fought so hard to get it off the table and hamper negotiations in the 1st place, maybe they wouldn't have got hammered the other day.

Who in their right mind removes the biggest single bargaining tool they have before going into negotiations?

[Norman]

27 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

So our Parliament pass it, what if the EU reject it? The full trade deal is miles away from being done and as we have seen with any other nation trying to do a deal with Europe, it takes a lot longer than a year.

Yes, but the Withdrawal Agreement isn't signed off from Parliament. So we can still negotiate it with our new majority government.

It's almost like a few on here are looking for bad news and the worst case scenario. 

Did you honestly believe Boris would not try and use his bigger influence in Parliament and not try to get a better deal for us from the EU. Who the duck wouldn't do that? 

I find it amusing Labour supporters are questioning his negotiation tactics. 

What was Corbyn's again? 

[Mafiabob]

When you go Labour away and get the 3 points 

[Wolfie]

5 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

The amusing, yet slightly terrifying, part is - it doesn't matter what you think any more. They will go ahead with the negotiations how they want.

I heard on the radio that Boris intends to legislate to prevent extending the transition past the current end date, so they are fixated on giving themselves a cliff-edge to work to. No problem, lets let them crack on and get Brexit done. I'm watching with intense curiosity as to how well they will do.

It's Boris' Brexit now, doesn't matter if we object or not. 

To be fair, that's probably because the EU have proved numerous times that they are only capable of meaningfully negotiating at the 11th hour before a deadline. It happens with every important decision they have to make & is always going to be the case when trying to get 27 different people/countries to agree on something.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

3 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

The amusing, yet slightly terrifying, part is - it doesn't matter what you think any more. They will go ahead with the negotiations how they want.

I heard on the radio that Boris intends to legislate to prevent extending the transition past the current end date, so they are fixated on giving themselves a cliff-edge to work to. No problem, lets let them crack on and get Brexit done. I'm watching with intense curiosity as to how well they will do.

It's Boris' Brexit now, doesn't matter if we object or not. 

Agreed. I am just going to take the Tory approach from now on. I am a remain and labour voting person, but I happen to also be in a position where I will probably be just fine if it really hits the fan so screw it.

One thing we definitely wont see if they are unable to deliver on their lofty promises is a single brexiteer admitting they did anything wrong. It will be the fault of the EU (despite them having no incentive to do anything other than protect their own interests) or the fault of remainer MP's (despite the whopping majority they now have) or some other bogeyman they will create to cover their own inadequacies.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

9 minutes ago, Norman said:

Yes, but the Withdrawal Agreement isn't signed off from Parliament. So we can still negotiate it with our new majority government.

It's almost like a few on here are looking for bad news and the worst case scenario. 

Did you honestly believe Boris would not try and use his bigger influence in Parliament and not try to get a better deal for us from the EU. Who the duck wouldn't do that? 

I find it amusing Labour supporters are questioning his negotiation tactics. 

What was Corbyn's again? 

The withdrawal agreement isn't the deal. The deal is the agreement we sort out during the transition period. A transition period that Johnson now wants to put a time limit of one year on. I guarantee you can't do a comprehensive trade deal with Europe in one year. It's taken us this long just to figure out step one, which should have been the easier bit.