Grumpy Git Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 All the stuff about the € being a basket case makes me laugh, talk about people who live in glass houses not throwing stones: When the € was first traded, it would cost you about 63 of our finest English pennies to buy one. My arithmetic is not what it was, but by my best reckoning if you were to buy a € today, it would cost you about 87 pence. In my book, that means the Great British Pound has lost 28% against a basket case!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, FindernRam said: Every country of all political persuasions has its Elite rich, its just the way it is. Socialism is no different, How wealthy is Blair? .Corbyn is not exactly on the breadline. At nation level, China, Russia, Korea, Venezuela, France. They all have massively rich people at the top. In a perverse way that's a bit reassuring, if someone can look after themselves, then there's a chance they can look after the country as well. Name me a country with a Corbyn, McDonnell brand of socialism that is a success, i.e. has a better standard of living than the UK, and if you can find one convince me that the people at the top have essential the same "income" as the plebs. By "early on" I mean over thousands of years, before there were notions of nation states and any descriptors of -"isms". I doubt an 11th century Norman thought of themselves as being "capitalist" as they beat the poor over the head with metal knobbly clubs, nicked their fertile pastures, demanded tithes and built themselves fortified dwellings. But the effect is much the same. The fact that you describe a series of what are effectively kleptocracy's doesn't persuade me that we have to accept the current status quo as the inevitable condition of the human race. And certainly not the "best" condition. But perhaps we need an extinction event to reset the thinking. I've said elsewhere that global forces far outweigh any nation state, so the notion that Corbyn or anyone else waving a few placards in Britain is going to move the dial. I was taking the definition of "Politics" in its widest abstract sense rather than assuming we are constrained to pick from the existing motley collection of individuals. But as a socialist - by which i mean someone who has concerns for the condition of society in its broadest sense, i remain optimistic a better way can be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: I doubt an 11th century Norman thought of themselves as being "capitalist". I did actually. And no link will prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Norman said: I did actually. And no link will prove otherwise. Quiet you - get back into "Ye Gymme" and stop spoiling my thesis.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 hours ago, FindernRam said: Every country of all political persuasions has its Elite rich, its just the way it is. Socialism is no different, How wealthy is Blair? .Corbyn is not exactly on the breadline. At nation level, China, Russia, Korea, Venezuela, France. They all have massively rich people at the top. In a perverse way that's a bit reassuring, if someone can look after themselves, then there's a chance they can look after the country as well. Name me a country with a Corbyn, McDonnell brand of socialism that is a success, i.e. has a better standard of living than the UK, and if you can find one convince me that the people at the top have essential the same "income" as the plebs. Exactly. As I've said, they use that wealth to keep themselves in a postion of power that enables them control of a country and thus it's people. There are some countries around the world where the rich ruling elite, allow some of the country's wealth to be enjoyed by all it's people. While the difference in wealth between the top and bottom remains great, the vast majority of those at the bottom are still able to have an enjoyable life. I used to consider the UK as one of the fairer countries in the world. But since the 1980s and the rise of Thatcherism, our country is becoming more and more unfair. This unfairness as been compounded by every successive tory government and sadly the one Labour government in charge during this period didn't do enough to rectify the situation. We now live in a country where the rich take a bigger and bigger share of the country's wealth. While condemning not just the poor but also more and more of the working people of our nation to a life of struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Grumpy Git said: All the stuff about the € being a basket case makes me laugh, talk about people who live in glass houses not throwing stones: When the € was first traded, it would cost you about 63 of our finest English pennies to buy one. My arithmetic is not what it was, but by my best reckoning if you were to buy a € today, it would cost you about 87 pence. In my book, that means the Great British Pound has lost 28% against a basket case!!! Jes, is the Pound now that low to the Euro. So the cerzesa wasn't as expensive as I thought it was when I was knocking back the cruz campo in Spain the other week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Not perhaps significant in the grand scheme, but something all us English folk can hopefully take a little pride from as England Rugby advances to the final of RWC 2019, comfortably beating perennial top seeds the All Blacks in the process. I'll be raising a good few glasses tonight in celebration as I hope will many of you too, even you Tories who I assume will already be quaffing bucketloads of Bollinger and booking your flights to Japan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: .......................... even you Tories who I assume will already be quaffing bucketloads of Bollinger and booking your flights to Japan ? They can only afford to do that if they don't pay their council house rent for a month or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Not perhaps significant in the grand scheme, but something all us English folk can hopefully take a little pride from as England Rugby advances to the final of RWC 2019, comfortably beating perennial top seeds the All Blacks in the process. I'll be raising a good few glasses tonight in celebration as I hope will many of you too, even you Tories who I assume will already be quaffing bucketloads of Bollinger and booking your flights to Japan ? We're about to enter a new golden age for England rugby in a post Brexit world. I predict we'll have great success in the soon to be inaugurated 1-nation championship...... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: We're about to enter a new golden age for England rugby in a post Brexit world. I predict we'll have great success in the soon to be inaugurated 1-nation championship...... ? More project fear. Meh. We can play Northern Ireland. Isle of Man as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: More project fear. Meh. We can play Northern Ireland. Isle of Man as well. And the faroes. Written in the trade deal, next to the bit about 0% tariffs on pickled herrings ?p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A Ram for All Seasons Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 26/10/2019 at 22:56, Van der MoodHoover said: We're about to enter a new golden age for England rugby in a post Brexit world. I predict we'll have great success in the soon to be inaugurated 1-nation championship...... ? And we'll get great trade deals with Tonga and Samoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: And we'll get great trade deals with Tonga and Samoa That's it.......periodic autumn internationals to go along with the overripe mangoes that have travelled 6 weeks by container ship......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: And we'll get great trade deals with Tonga and Samoa @Angry Ram will be calling me out for Project Fear again..........but to act as a counterpoint, if we sign up with Trumpity-trump, we may get to play the USA and Canada more often ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: @Angry Ram will be calling me out for Project Fear again..........but to act as a counterpoint, if we sign up with Trumpity-trump, we may get to play the USA and Canada more often ? Just hope nobody gets injured because the NHS will have been sold off to Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Just hope nobody gets injured because the NHS will have been sold off to Trump. ..................... and you still support Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Grumpy Git said: ..................... and you still support Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Hopefully the joke won't be on any of us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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