Norman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said: Hopefully the joke won't be on any of us? You wouldn't know if it was, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I bet Cocu is wishing Derby had opposition like Labour right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Quick question. Do people actually believe Corbyn wants a No Deal taken off the table before he says yes to a general election. Or is he putting himself before country? Self-preservation in full swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Norman said: Quick question. Do people actually believe Corbyn wants a No Deal taken off the table before he says yes to a general election. Or is he putting himself before country? Self-preservation in full swing. Quick answer. If you believe no deal would hurt the majority of people in your country should you not oppose it? Corbyn is doing what an opposition should do, oppose the Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I bet Cocu is wishing Derby had opposition like Labour right now! Don't know wether to laugh or cry at this. So I'll have to wait till @Norman informs me if this a joke or not, as he appears to be the expert. Bugger. As we're being told not to believe what experts say anymore. I still won't know if it's a joke or a serious post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I bet Cocu is wishing Derby had opposition like Labour right now! They seem to be frustrating the tories atm. Not creating much but certainly making it hard for them to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, Norman said: Quick question. Do people actually believe Corbyn wants a No Deal taken off the table before he says yes to a general election. Or is he putting himself before country? Self-preservation in full swing. This might have something to do with it... https://news.sky.com/story/tories-surge-to-16-point-lead-over-labour-poll-11846200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, Norman said: Quick question. Do people actually believe Corbyn wants a No Deal taken off the table before he says yes to a general election. Or is he putting himself before country? Self-preservation in full swing. Ok mate, I made you laugh with my reply but seriously, what do you want him to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, maxjam said: This might have something to do with it... https://news.sky.com/story/tories-surge-to-16-point-lead-over-labour-poll-11846200 Nah, surely nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Ok mate, I made you laugh with my reply but seriously, what do you want him to do? Go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: @Angry Ram will be calling me out for Project Fear again..........but to act as a counterpoint, if we sign up with Trumpity-trump, we may get to play the USA and Canada more often ? Just landed at JFK. Will sort the USA games while I am here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Norman said: Go. Who would you like as labour leader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Who would you like as labour leader? Yvette Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Norman said: Yvette Cooper. Ok, Top of my head I have no idea which policies her and Corbyn differ on. Ill have a look and see what I can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, Norman said: Yvette Cooper. But – whilst Corbyn himself has put forward a powerful critique of PFI, and widely-praised proposals to save hospitals from it, Cooper shows no sign of thinking PFI is a bad thing. Cooper was Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 2008/9 whilst it signed off nearly 50 new PFI schemes, including many in the NHS. In 2009, she told parliament “PFI projects have consistently demonstrated value for money and high levels of user satisfaction in vital areas of public service delivery….” She added that it was best to stick with the PFI structure because the private sector will “continue to bear the risk of cost overruns and delays” (even as she handed the private firms a £2bn public bailout). The Commons Treasury Committee disagreed, saying “Private Finance projects are significantly more expensive to fund over the life of a project…We have not seen clear evidence of savings and benefits in other areas of PFI projects which are sufficient to offset this significantly higher cost of finance.” But Cooper appears never to have accepted these criticisms. Even as she berated Jeremy Corbyn for ducking her questions about “free money” at last night’s Sky hustings, she ducked his question about whether she would pursue still more rip-off PFI, as her “credible alternative” to “printing money”. https://think-left.org/2015/09/06/who-says-what-about-the-nhs-labour-leadership-contenders/ Not for me mate. I want a labour leader to oppose privatisation of the NHS. No point in having a Labour Party otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Not for me mate. I want a labour leader to oppose privatisation of the NHS. No point in having a Labour Party otherwise. She'd do a damn sight better at opposing the government than Corbyn. Which is causing this country more damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, uttoxram75 said: Quick answer. If you believe no deal would hurt the majority of people in your country should you not oppose it? Corbyn is doing what an opposition should do, oppose the Government. I get that but what i dont understand is surely any opposition leader should be confident of winning an election? If so once won can he not just take it off the table himself! If he is admitting he cannot win then surely labour should be seeking someone to lead them who thinks they can win? No better way to oppose the government than to remove that government surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Paul71 said: I get that but what i dont understand is surely any opposition leader should be confident of winning an election? If so once won can he not just take it off the table himself! If he is admitting he cannot win then surely labour should be seeking someone to lead them who thinks they can win? No better way to oppose the government than to remove that government surely? Exactly this. If no deal is so bad for the country and it is what everyone is desperate to avoid then surely Labour or Lib Dems will get a landslide victory in a General Election. We've heard for the last 3 years about the Conservatives playing games and the country suffering because of uncertainty, huge opportunity to sort that out, right here, right now. The excuses are drying up and the lack of opposition is quite frankly becoming embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Norman said: She'd do a damn sight better at opposing the government than Corbyn. Which is causing this country more damage? Why do you consider Corbyn's opposition style, damaging to the country. If this Johnson led tory government is doing such a great job of running the country and delivering brexit. Then surely there's not a lot the party sat opposite them in the house of commons as to object to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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