Uptherams Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 52 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Seriously? Our booming manufacturing industry? Bloody Brexit! Has this guy been asleep for the last 30 years? We are ranked 7th in the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Uptherams said: We are ranked 7th in the world... The problem is that we only sort of have a manufacturing industry because it is a series of moveable assembly factories or perhaps a few icons like RR. the guts of our manufacturing has long gone. The forges, foundries, machine shops and raw material makers that form a supply chain have gone. But before anyone blames the unions or Maggie the reason is that we are civilised, less civilised countries now make all these things without the worker protections that we rightly have. Leaving out truculent side of unions and the Sports direct type ugly employers at the edges, the real truth is the advanced west with its environment and people caring systems that have developed over the last 100 years have been shafted - partly because others are less scrupulous and partly because we all want a high tech TV that costs about the same as a meal out for a family. Well that’s my thought for the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Uptherams said: We are ranked 7th in the world... Two years ago we were 5th in the world. Stick your head back in the sand - there's a good Brexiteer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I find the whole situation totally depressing if i bother to think about it. We have a political elite who are as thick as sht. The only thing i enjoyed about the current circus was the row between boris and his bird. "get off my fkn laptop!". Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I work in manufacturing, in the UK, for a small firm who export the majority of our output mostly outside the EU, from raw material sourced roughly 50/50 domestically and from the EU. Not only are we thriving, but new customers seem to arrive on an almost weekly basis, mostly from outside the EU, business has never been better. I'm not saying anything one way or the other regarding Brexit, but it's quite annoying when people claim we don't manufacture or export anything anymore when my experience is the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, reveldevil said: I work in manufacturing, in the UK, for a small firm who export the majority of our output mostly outside the EU, from raw material sourced roughly 50/50 domestically and from the EU. Not only are we thriving, but new customers seem to arrive on an almost weekly basis, mostly from outside the EU, business has never been better. I'm not saying anything one way or the other regarding Brexit, but it's quite annoying when people claim we don't manufacture or export anything anymore when my experience is the opposite. The problem is personal experience doesn't tell anything about the global situation. Could be good, could be an exception. Literally means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, eddie said: Two years ago we were 5th in the world. Stick your head back in the sand - there's a good Brexiteer. In 2016 we were ranked 7th... The way you guys talk is as if we are 70th. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Uptherams said: In 2016 we were ranked 7th... The way you guys talk is as if we are 70th. ? There's time yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, GboroRam said: There's time yet... What a mindset to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Uptherams said: What a mindset to have. Ah yes, the "believe in Brexit" argument. Like small girls might believe in fairies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, GboroRam said: Ah yes, the "believe in Brexit" argument. Like small girls might believe in fairies. Big difference between thinking we could stay at around 7th for another 10/20 years and thinking we could end up 70th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, GboroRam said: The problem is personal experience doesn't tell anything about the global situation. Could be good, could be an exception. Literally means nothing. Means something when you work in an industry you constantly read is dead, I can tell you. I'd guess the colleagues and suppliers, the customers and the supply train around engineering would also say the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 50 minutes ago, reveldevil said: Means something when you work in an industry you constantly read is dead, I can tell you. I'd guess the colleagues and suppliers, the customers and the supply train around engineering would also say the same. What do you make ( just out of interest?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 7 hours ago, reveldevil said: Means something when you work in an industry you constantly read is dead, I can tell you. I'd guess the colleagues and suppliers, the customers and the supply train around engineering would also say the same. Nobody saying any industry is "dead" means literally nobody makes anything of that nature in the country. They mean the amount made has fallen dramatically. If we used to make millions, and now we make dozens, I would say that industry has died. If you happen to work making the dozens still manufactured, your tale doesn't help anyone understand the global picture. When someone says, I work for a company that makes steam engines and business is up, it tells me nothing about the importance of steam in the modern world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Uptherams said: Big difference between thinking we could stay at around 7th for another 10/20 years and thinking we could end up 70th. It's Minford we're quoting, one from your team. Not some lefty scaremongerer. He says decimated. Do you infer industries that are decimated will be 7th on the global scale, or nearer 70th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: It's Minford we're quoting, one from your team. Not some lefty scaremongerer. He says decimated. Do you infer industries that are decimated will be 7th on the global scale, or nearer 70th? But using your argument above, the UK manufacturing industry was being decimated long before the Referendum. If it were to be eradicated then it would just be a continuation of the trend of the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Good article here in todays Guardian; Labour can’t afford to lose its working-class heartlands by backing remain https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/26/labour-working-class-heartlands-remain-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 11 hours ago, GboroRam said: The problem is personal experience doesn't tell anything about the global situation. Could be good, could be an exception. Literally means nothing. And yet the statistics show we aren't Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, maxjam said: Good article here in todays Guardian; Labour can’t afford to lose its working-class heartlands by backing remain https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/26/labour-working-class-heartlands-remain-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw Lays out the grand dilemma for the party - that's for sure. Hard to see a way forward for Labour or the Tories thanks to Brexit. Hard to see a way forward at al for anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Uptherams said: And yet the statistics show we aren't Cuba. Cuba has been suffering under a US Trade Embargo for nearly 60 years. Hardly fair or relevant to compare their situation with anyone else in the world. The situation for manufacturing industries is always going to be difficult for western countries. Large employers tend to move their operations to countries where wages are lower in order to cut labour costs. There doesn't seem to be a way around the problem until wages around become more equal, thereby leveling the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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