eddie Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Posted without comment https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-leadership-news-latest-no-deal-brexit-boris-johnson-ukip-jeremy-hunt-a8978206.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 9 hours ago, eddie said: Posted without comment https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-leadership-news-latest-no-deal-brexit-boris-johnson-ukip-jeremy-hunt-a8978206.html One of two things is going to happen I think - either we crash out with no deal or Article 50 will be revoked. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/30/boris-johnson-might-never-enter-no-10-if-mps-withdraw-support The only chance of a 'new deal' being sorted (pie in the sky?) is if Article 50 is extended again and that's not really in our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, 1967Ram said: One of two things is going to happen I think - either we crash out with no deal or Article 50 will be revoked. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/30/boris-johnson-might-never-enter-no-10-if-mps-withdraw-support The only chance of a 'new deal' being sorted (pie in the sky?) is if Article 50 is extended again and that's not really in our hands. I think you've right, and the question turns to one of timescales. We could crash out within months, but that would be untypical politician behaviour. Much more likely that the brave choices get kicked down the road. I think we still will be negotiating brexit in 2 years. Anyone disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeponacid Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 04/06/2019 at 17:16, GboroRam said: I work in the chicken industry. It's not about the chlorine - they need the chemicals because of the highly insanitary practices they use in order to save a penny. Rest assured if you buy a chicken in a UK supermarket, it won't make you ill (if you handle it correctly - e.g. don't wash it). I asked my previous QA senior manager if she would eat chlorine washed chicken and the answer was - not a chance. And that's from someone who understands in depth what the issues are. What sector of the chicken industry do you work in Gboro? Do you specialise in a particular type of reared chicken, or is it just the everyday chickens of the EU:...the roughly 95% so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: I think we still will be negotiating brexit in 2 years. Anyone disagree? Yes. Me. I think it will be 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Antifa in the US using acid attacks now, on journalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maxjam Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Uptherams said: Antifa in the US using acid attacks now, on journalists. I saw this story developing yesterday, I'm not sure acid was used but the guy did get numerous milkshakes etc thrown over him and assaulted - all whilst the police stood by and watched after being told not to intervene - which then makes their later tweet kinda ironic ? Furthermore this kinda of thing has been publicly endorsed by people on twitter and journalists (who often work closely with antifa). It will be interesting to see if twitter/facebook etc apply their 'rules' fairly and without bias. Talking of which, did anyone see the latest Project Veritas sting earlier in the week? Exposing political bias and censorship at google? Google censored the video ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, sheeponacid said: What sector of the chicken industry do you work in Gboro? Do you specialise in a particular type of reared chicken, or is it just the everyday chickens of the EU:...the roughly 95% so to speak. I do the IT, so I rarely get to touch the products. We produce around 5m chicken per week, all UK reared. However there's plenty of EU involvement. The manufacturers of the equipment are in a few EU countries, Holland and Italy make a lot of our kit. The actual birds are mostly sold in the UK, so I don't feel hugely at risk personally. But if Brexit does cause a recession of the size predicted, I don't know what the effect to the business will be. Customers will be buying less chicken, the supermarkets will reduce their orders and we will cut production. The need for staff will reduce. Jobs will go - first directly with the production of chicken, then to ancillary departments like IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Uptherams said: I see a lot of stuff about antifa but can't relate them to anything in this country. Are they just an American thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, GboroRam said: I see a lot of stuff about antifa but can't relate them to anything in this country. Are they just an American thing? They are more prevalent in the US, but groups have been forming here and have targetted 'right-wing' personalities in the past such as Tommy Robinson, Pro-Brexit rallies and Jacob Rees-Mogg etc. You don't tend to find a lot of negative press about them as despite becoming increasingly violent as journalists work closely with them ? As an update to the original story, Andy Ngo has since been hospitalised with a brain hemorrhage following the attack. It will be interesting to see if twitter bans the likes of Carlos Maza now who is far more of an activist than a journalist and pretty much called for violence against those he disagrees with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 4 hours ago, GboroRam said: I do the IT, so I rarely get to touch the products. We produce around 5m chicken per week, all UK reared. However there's plenty of EU involvement. The manufacturers of the equipment are in a few EU countries, Holland and Italy make a lot of our kit. The actual birds are mostly sold in the UK, so I don't feel hugely at risk personally. But if Brexit does cause a recession of the size predicted, I don't know what the effect to the business will be. Customers will be buying less chicken, the supermarkets will reduce their orders and we will cut production. The need for staff will reduce. Jobs will go - first directly with the production of chicken, then to ancillary departments like IT. They could buy more chickens too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, GboroRam said: I see a lot of stuff about antifa but can't relate them to anything in this country. Are they just an American thing? I find it very worrying you see lots of antifa stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 4 hours ago, GboroRam said: I do the IT, so I rarely get to touch the products. We produce around 5m chicken per week, all UK reared. However there's plenty of EU involvement. The manufacturers of the equipment are in a few EU countries, Holland and Italy make a lot of our kit. The actual birds are mostly sold in the UK, so I don't feel hugely at risk personally. But if Brexit does cause a recession of the size predicted, I don't know what the effect to the business will be. Customers will be buying less chicken, the supermarkets will reduce their orders and we will cut production. The need for staff will reduce. Jobs will go - first directly with the production of chicken, then to ancillary departments like IT. We're often told by Brexiteers that companies who struggle with Brexit will need to diversify. Have your guys thought about reducing your reliance on poultry and moving into other livestock - unicorns, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Gritters said: They could buy more chickens too. Considering the best we can get is zero tariffs on goods, the best we can get is to have the same prices as now. As it seems a deal is increasingly unlikely, we will have increased tariffs. So prices will go up, most likely, on imports and definitely on exports. Generally increasing tariffs will mean increasing prices in the shops, leading to drop in sales - therefore job losses in multiple sectors such as manufacturing and agriculture. With less people working, that means less people with money in their pockets to buy things in the shops, such as chickens. If there's less people buying chicken our business will be affected. Pretty much everyone agrees there will be a negative effect, and the argument is more about how bad the impact will be. I think you are the first person to suggest we will be positively impacted. How could we actually sell more chickens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, cstand said: I find it very worrying you see lots of antifa stuff. I mean in talking shops such as here. In the real world, nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 28/06/2019 at 19:52, reveldevil said: I agree it's strange. I don't think I've ever heard an anti-Semitic comment in my life, yet I hear racist ones on a regular basis. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd say after many attempts at undermining the party leadership, the opposition to Corbyn has finally chanced upon a stick to beat him with that resonates with his opponents inside and outside of the party. As a Labour member, I'm beginning to despair at his leadership, and those who advise him on this particular issue, controversy should be the easiest thing to avoid, yet he can't or won't address it. It's so easily avoidable, yet he seems to blunder into the traps set. I have this crazy idea that a chunk of momentum activists are infatuated with the Israel-Palestine issue and are intent on embroiling themselves in a no-winners-guaranteed Muslim/Jewish conflict, and that most of the country is utterly perplexed by the whole thing. Your experience is reflected by mine; I daresay off uni campuses and outside of certain religious forums not many talk about the issue and even fewer can personally relate to it. I also have this crazy idea that Corbyn is chief elect among these agitators and thus my sympathies are at point zero. You play with fire you get burned eventually. I think there has always been a tendency for the left of lefties to cling to some BS pseudo-intellectual issues to keep them purer and more holier than thou. And Palestine fits the bill perfectly, it gives them a reason to be aggrieved when they wake up in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, eddie said: We're often told by Brexiteers that companies who struggle with Brexit will need to diversify. Have your guys thought about reducing your reliance on poultry and moving into other livestock - unicorns, perhaps? Just go to EUnicorn utopia they are ten a penny according to remainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, cstand said: Just go to EUnicorn utopia they are ten a penny according to remainers. Please explain to me what actual, real, tangible benefits there will be when we leave the EU. I must either be too thick to understand or my unfeasibly high IQ is causing me to over-analyse things and consequently I am missing the clarity, the certainty that others appear to be blessed with. I'm serious - enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, SillyBilly said: I think there has always been a tendency for the left of lefties to cling to some BS pseudo-intellectual issues to keep them purer and more holier than thou. And Palestine fits the bill perfectly, it gives them a reason to be aggrieved when they wake up in the morning. Do you think anyone on the Left or Right is genuinely concerned about the Israel-Palestine issue then? And if so does it warrant that concern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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