'suspicious' man outside Derby County's training ground

[TuffLuff]

25 minutes ago, Lambchop said:

The most significant impact on the team was probably from the way Frank reacted, though.

Instead of using it to gear them up for a fight, he got all upset and we bottled it. 

I’ve never said anything different either. The thing is, what happened Friday is irrelevant of what this investigation is about, or this debate should be about.

[ossieram]

4 hours ago, Lambchop said:

I support Lampard, as should be obvious from my comments since we were first linked with him. 

Doesn't stop me thinking he's made himself look a tit over this. 

Somebody is making themselves look a tit, but It's not Lampard in my opinion.

[Matlock Old Ram]

7 minutes ago, ossieram said:

Somebody is making themselves look a tit, but It's not Lampard in my opinion.

How is Frank making himself look a tit???

[McRainy]

1 minute ago, Matlock Old Ram said:

How is Frank making himself look a tit???

By seeming rattled on the day, by making a mountain out of a molehill, and by claiming a moral high ground that he probably hasn't lived up to himself. 

[DRBee]

1 minute ago, Lambchop said:

By seeming rattled on the day, by making a mountain out of a molehill, and by claiming a moral high ground that he probably hasn't lived up to himself. 

A bit of self-examination by you is required. Don't see where your criticism comes from. His post-match interview showed real class. You actually know nothing of how Frank presented himself to the players after the incident.

[North East Ram]

Come on football 

[Finch]

Odious Leeds no change from Revie's cheats. Look up Leeds v Wolves report in the Daily Mirror of 1972    .      

[McRainy]

16 minutes ago, DRBee said:

A bit of self-examination by you is required. Don't see where your criticism comes from. His post-match interview showed real class. You actually know nothing of how Frank presented himself to the players after the incident.

It's a criticism which seems to be a majority view from anyone who's attempting to be remotely objective. That doesn't require any 'self-examination' at all, it's a perfectly valid opinion. 

I don't know how Frank presented himself to the players, no, but I do know how he presented himself to the press, and how the players represented themselves on the pitch. 

[cheron85]

2 hours ago, Andicis said:

Christ, there is no point arguing with you, since you're very clearly trolling. You missed out the actual point I was making.

He's maybe just not very bright so leave the lad alone - My evidence is:

1) His points change from post to post

2) He's from Leeds

2 hours ago, Pub Breath said:

 It still doesn't change the fact that we're talking about sending a bloke to watch a training game from a public road.  He had every right to do that and I think it was fair game to send him. 

That's debatable - Proof being he got escorted away by the police for suspicious behaviour - You don't get escorted away by the police for doing nothing wrong... 

1 hour ago, Ambitious said:

Leeds fans banging on like there is a massive conspiracy against them by the regulatory bodies is the most laughable part of this entire 'spygate' balls. They're showing themselves to be a tinpot Liverpool at the moment.  

I've actually realised - This probably should just be ignored - Because the only charge that could be leveled at Leeds is bringing the game/league into disrepute - This is just the standard kind of behaviour you would expect from Leeds so why is this a big deal? The EFL has hosted Leeds as an entity for years without worrying about the stain on their reputation that is the existence of the club so they can't start complaining now

? 

[Day]

20 minutes ago, Lambchop said:

It's a criticism which seems to be a majority view from anyone who's attempting to be remotely objective. That doesn't require any 'self-examination' at all, it's a perfectly valid opinion. 

I don't know how Frank presented himself to the players, no, but I do know how he presented himself to the press, and how the players represented themselves on the pitch. 

Not sure I would call Leeds fans remotely objective but there you go.

I would argue Frank has nailed it in his press conference, but then I guess you would argue we aren’t remotely objective and this makes Bielsa even more endearing.

 

[Mucker1884]

3 hours ago, ketteringram said:

How was any information gained, if the bloke couldn't see anything? 

Is that what is being claimed?

So not only did he get caught, but he actually achieved nothing by being there?

 

Oh, this just get's better... I feel a new song coming on, next time we play them...

 

#Worst spy in history, worst spy in history...

[McRainy]

53 minutes ago, David said:

Not sure I would call Leeds fans remotely objective but there you go

I wasn't referring to Leeds fans, I was referring to the many players and managers from other clubs who have expressed a similar view to mine. 

The bottom line is I find it embarrassing, in a similar way to finding our turgid football embarrassing last season.

It's not a biggie, I'll get over it. 

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

This really isn't that difficult. The integrity required by the governing body of the sport has confirmed that in its view Leeds Utd are potentially in breach of said code. Frank Lampard had every right to complain as have any other managers or clubs who are treated to the level of contempt by another club. Managers have every right to expect their training methods to be allowed to be private.

Whatever other managers did or didn't do whilst Frank was a player is totally irrelevant as it was beyond his control. To suggest otherwise I would suggest is just plain quarrelsome. 

[curb]

18 minutes ago, Lambchop said:

I wasn't referring to Leeds fans, I was referring to the many players and managers from other clubs who have expressed a similar view to mine. 

The bottom line is I find it embarrassing, in a similar way to finding our turgid football embarrassing last season.

It's not a biggie, I'll get over it. 

It’s not embarrassing for us. 

How would you feel if someone was peering through the fence into your garden with binoculars, regardless of what you were doing or what their motives were?

[bigbadbob]

36 minutes ago, curb said:

It’s not embarrassing for us. 

How would you feel if someone was peering through the fence into your garden with binoculars, regardless of what you were doing or what their motives were?

F!attered

[McRainy]

41 minutes ago, curb said:

It’s not embarrassing for us. 

How would you feel if someone was peering through the fence into your garden with binoculars, regardless of what you were doing or what their motives were?

That's not a direct comparison, and it doesn't really address the issue of hypocrisy. 

AVB said he secretly watched opposition training. Frank said he doesn't believe that happened, or 'not in the same form '. Wtf is that supposed to mean? Either information was gathered through covert observation, or it wasn't.

Assuming AVB isn't incriminating himself unnecessarily, then Frank is either lying or he's a fool, and he doesn't strike me as the latter. 

It's extremely disingenuous at best to claim the moral high ground in the way that he has, as he personally benefited from the methods he is condemning. 

In addition to that, his demeanour before the match was of someone who had let their emotions get the better of them. You'd think Bielsa had deliberately run over his dog, not watched a bit of training through a fence. 

There's also the feeling that he's playing the victim, possibly to distract from the failings on the pitch. It all adds up to create an impression I'm not comfortable with, and I think he could have handled it much better. 

[curb]

1 minute ago, Lambchop said:

That's not a direct comparison, and it doesn't really address the issue of hypocrisy. 

AVB said he secretly watched opposition training. Frank said he doesn't believe that happened, or 'not in the same form '. Wtf is that supposed to mean? Either information was gathered through covert observation, or it wasn't.

Assuming AVB isn't incriminating himself unnecessarily, then Frank is either lying or he's a fool, and he doesn't strike me as the latter. 

It's extremely disingenuous at best to claim the moral high ground in the way that he has, as he personally benefited from the methods he is condemning. 

In addition to that, his demeanour before the match was of someone who had let their emotions get the better of them. You'd think Bielsa had deliberately run over his dog, not watched a bit of training through a fence. 

There's also the feeling that he's playing the victim, possibly to distract from the failings on the pitch. It all adds up to create an impression I'm not comfortable with, and I think he could have handled it much better. 

Yes it is,

 

what influence would a player have over the actions of Morinhio and AVB? Absolutely none, can you imagine a player going into Mourinho’s office and saying ‘I’m not going to play this week because I think the information you got on the opposition was unethical’?

how ridiculous does that sound?

just because he worked for someone who cheated the system doesn’t make him a cheat. 

[Day]

7 minutes ago, Lambchop said:

AVB said he secretly watched opposition training

No he didn’t. 

 “I will travel to training grounds, often incognito, and look at our opponents’ mental and physical state before drawing my conclusions. Jose will leave nothing to chance.”

I provided an example yesterday that this could be simply sat in the car park watching the players walk in, are they laughing, limping, heads low. 

Which would back up Lampard’s comments made earlier today.

You’ve took one quote, reworded it to fit this Lampard hypocrisy agenda and ran with it. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/8590660/Chelsea-manager-Andre-Villas-Boas-is-an-analyst-who-leaves-nothing-a-chance.html

[i-Ram]

3 minutes ago, David said:

No he didn’t. 

 “I will travel to training grounds, often incognito, and look at our opponents’ mental and physical state before drawing my conclusions. Jose will leave nothing to chance.”

I provided an example yesterday that this could be simply sat in the car park watching the players walk in, are they laughing, limping, heads low. 

Which would back up Lampard’s comments made earlier today.

You’ve took one quote, reworded it to fit this Lampard hypocrisy agenda and ran with it. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/8590660/Chelsea-manager-Andre-Villas-Boas-is-an-analyst-who-leaves-nothing-a-chance.html

Lamby has too much time on her hands watching day time repeats of Vera on Alibi.  

[Ghost of Clough]

Does it actually matter if others have been spying/similar in the past? Hopefully, this is the event which results in the clamping down of this form of ‘cheating’.