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What if McClaren had never been sacked ?

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6 hours ago, Mistaram said:

Can't believe we're even discussing McLaren somebody who for 6 weeks refused to say if he was going to Newcastle or not when it was obvious he had been talking to them Hes gone move on just be grateful he's not coming back 

The fact he didn’t leave is what matters! 

3 hours ago, Ilsonram12 said:

There's a reason he's overlooked for jobs in England/Scotland.... he's just not that good!! 

The only credible managers we've got rid off, of recent, are Clough at Burton and Clement at Swansea 

The ostrich Pearson reappears in an obscure division 2 outfit in Belgium, and Jewell and the dwarf have disappeared 

Credible? We were also rans with no media profile until he arrived! We were contenders during and since!

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Going back to when I originally started this thread and  picking up on some very  good points. 

Did McClaren ever really have his own team ? 

What could he have done with his own team ? 

In his second spell arguably he had a worse set of players for his system. No focal point up front , no holding midfield player and a bigger squad that perhaps didn't suit.

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On 17/09/2017 at 15:14, cannable said:

I hate Mac discussions. Every just seems to chat s****. There are few balanced views on it. 

He was staying and he made it abundantly clear.

The Newcastle thing had nothing to do with it, injuries cripple us.

The Plan B thing was stupid at the time. No team has a Plan B. Barcelona don't have Plan B. Real Madrid don't have Plan B. Even super pragmatists don't have Plan B!

Sorry, Cannable, I beg to differ.

Yes, injuries hit us hard, the biggest hit being Martin's injury. The problem was that Mac insisted in playing the team around Martin, even though the Wardrobe was out injured! He even played Johnny Russell in Martin's role, despite the difference in height and ability to control the ball. We still had sufficient quality within the squad to have done way better than we did.

No, there was something much deeper than that going on. The team lost all its cohesiveness, and people seemed to be clueless about what they were supposed to be doing, There were strong rumours that Steve wasn't in Derby during the week, and that training was taken by Simmo and the rest of coaching staff. But come Saturday it looked as though there had been no plan, no tactics, no shape or discipline, almost as if Steve was shouting different instructions to the ones they had allegedly been working on all week. It had the wiff of a "Wee Billy" plan to engineer a sacking to ease the path to Newcastle, with a lucrative "travel bonus" included.

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3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

That's Simmo, World Cup winner Simmo? For one week?

Are you referring to the week after Steve had been sacked? The Absent Steve/Simmo and co doing the training went on for a while, because our demise didn't happen for just one week. Incidentally, I wasn't implying that Simmo wasn't a capable coach, but that the net effect of coaching/managerial input was there for all to see.

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As a Mac brown nose I do agree that he didn't adjust well with the injuries. He shouldn't have tinkered with defence so much. He shouldn't have become obsessed with clean sheets.

The injuries were a massive problem to solve and he didn't solve it.

But could Rowett, Nigel or Clement if it was them?

Sacking him the second time was ridiculous. He picked us up and put us on a run that had us looking at promotion instead of relegation. He then got criticised for not giving us something we didn't ask for when he took the gig. We only asked for it when he put the thought in our heads. 

He was sacked. Why? 

He had 1 summer window in his 2 reigns. 

Under him we beat the points tally we got promotion with. We were a massive scalp for anyone coming to PP (remember how teams celebrated draws after parking the bus). We scored plenty of goals

No he wasn't perfect. No way. But it was better than this. It was better than what he walked in to. 

I mean valleyram slates him. But who did Bryson play his best stuff for?

People slate him. Call him a failure. Mock his achievements. 

But when you try to talk comparisons with them they go a bit quiet and just repeat the insults. Don't want to compare.

I love this timeless classic

"After 3 years of failure"

Failure? 3 years? Compared to what? But you get no answer. Just a shrug to suggest Derby are a PL side that have been wrongly placed in this league by useless clerk at the FA. 

You get the same thing with Hughes too. "2 poor years".... No. 1 poor season. He was injured for the other. 

There's a lot of questions you ask to the haters of the Mac era. A lot of comparisons and stats you put forward about goals, points, games, Martin, Hughes, injuries... But again and again the haters just go quiet for while. Then pop up in another thread with the same stupid comments.

"After 3 years of failure"

What is the point of a discussion if you don't try to understand the counter argument. 

You're not sharing an opinion. You're giving a lecture. 

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49 minutes ago, DavesaRam said:

Sorry, Cannable, I beg to differ.

Yes, injuries hit us hard, the biggest hit being Martin's injury. The problem was that Mac insisted in playing the team around Martin, even though the Wardrobe was out injured! He even played Johnny Russell in Martin's role, despite the difference in height and ability to control the ball. We still had sufficient quality within the squad to have done way better than we did.

No, there was something much deeper than that going on. The team lost all its cohesiveness, and people seemed to be clueless about what they were supposed to be doing, There were strong rumours that Steve wasn't in Derby during the week, and that training was taken by Simmo and the rest of coaching staff. But come Saturday it looked as though there had been no plan, no tactics, no shape or discipline, almost as if Steve was shouting different instructions to the ones they had allegedly been working on all week. It had the wiff of a "Wee Billy" plan to engineer a sacking to ease the path to Newcastle, with a lucrative "travel bonus" included.

Quality is irrelevant when you don't have the players to make the system work. If football was solely based on quality Leicester don't finish top in 15/15 and neither do Chelsea finish 10th. 

The only time it didn't look cohesive was the second half against Reading and for fifty minutes against Brentford. 

The thing McClaren is at fault for during that run in is not turning around and saying; "alright lads, f*** The Derby Way, too many injuries, we're defending deep, grinding out clean sheets and giving Incey the freedom to try and win matches."

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7 minutes ago, cannable said:

The thing McClaren is at fault for during that run in is not turning around and saying; "alright lads, f*** The Derby Way, too many injuries, we're defending deep, grinding out clean sheets

but we do not have, and didn't have then, the players to fend off attacking sides and play defensively. We couldn't even stop Bristol City getting a bagful.

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6 minutes ago, Moist One said:

but we do not have, and didn't have then, the players to fend off attacking sides and play defensively. We couldn't even stop Bristol City getting a bagful.

Carson, Baird, Keogh, Pearce, Olsson/Lowe and BJ were enough to take us to fifth from 22nd over a ten game period merely by being solid.

I'm sure Grant, Shotton, Keogh, Albentosa, Fozzy and Hanson could have at least consolidated a play-off spot.

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What a bizarre thread. Are people angling for a third spell?!

He's made his reputation by inheriting another man's team, making a couple of tweaks & playing some nice stuff for 6 months. George Burley did the same with nowhere near the same finances or initial squad depth /talent but you don't ever see the same reverential flannel about him on here that I constantly read about McClaren.

Second time round we were mostly ordinary albeit we acquired the habit of playing badly & scraping wins. Then we started playing really badly, losing and he went. 

Bottom line is he's not a legacy builder..his successful jobs (Twente, Boro to an extent & his first spell with us to an extent) were with talented teams waiting for a lift. Anything beyond that & he's found out.  Hence I think Morris made the right decision in getting rid in April (on reflection)

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