ramit Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistaram Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: Top level trolling!!! Are you telling me, he doesn't see them day in day out and monitors their progress??? I'd wager he knows a humongous amount more about those players than you do. As for player ins & outs, the buck stops with the 1st team manager... Quite right ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd miner Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'm just putting it out there i'm willing ta gi up mi job on't shearer and loose mi redundancy should Gary Rowett want mi ta sign fer't Rams. Might need to have a medical though .. got 25 years worth o dust on mi lungs but im up fer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: Top level trolling!!! Are you telling me, he doesn't see them day in day out and monitors their progress??? I'd wager he knows a humongous amount more about those players than you do. As for player ins & outs, the buck stops with the 1st team manager... I'm making the point Darren Wassall knows far more than Rowett about the U23s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mistaram said: Quite right ! Not right Wassall knows far more about the U23s than Rowett. Common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ramalot Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 12 hours ago, rynny said: Chances are the club sent over the paperwork to Kieftenbeld to sign and asked him to send it straight to the FA/EFL to save time. If that's the case then we are a sham.... a contract is a contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sir Ramalot said: If that's the case then we are a sham.... a contract is a contract We are a sham because the player signed the wrong place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistaram Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, curtains said: Not right Wassall knows far more about the U23s than Rowett. Common sense. Your wrong he knows an equal amount he sees them everyday and watches all their matches Wassell could possibly be biased he has to keep his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mistaram said: Your wrong he knows an equal amount he sees them everyday and watches all their matches Wassell could possibly be biased he has to keep his job Biased I don't think so. I am pretty sure Wassall will assist Rowett and the First team with the best U23 options . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, Sir Ramalot said: If that's the case then we are a sham.... a contract is a contract So? How many forms do you think he's signed over the years? Are we really going to say that these players are so coddled they're not expected to do their own paperwork? I've moved companies a few times and I sign my own contract every time 4 minutes ago, rynny said: We are a sham because the player signed the wrong place? Of course - Didn't you know that when random, everyday, understandable mistakes are made it's because the club is dreadful, the people running it are terrible, the place is a joke and Uncle Mel is spying on people with his drones? It's like people on here have never made a mistake ever in their lives - I have to deal with little mistakes like this made by someone in a chain about once a week - It's part of life 1 minute ago, Mistaram said: Your wrong he knows an equal amount he sees them everyday and watches all their matches Wassell could possibly be biased he has to keep his job I'd like to think Rowett is training the first team squad when the u23s are being trained by Wassall - Otherwise who's watching the first team squad? And why would Wassall be biased? In what way? If he over-promises on the players then they'll flounder in the first team and make him look bad - If he under-promises on them then people will think he can't produce decent players which will make him look bad - I don't see how your logic works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, cheron85 said: So? How many forms do you think he's signed over the years? Ah, but he's Dutch and I bet the forms are in English, so for the EFL to refuse to confirm the signing shows inherent racism as they should have provided a translator for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Wolfie said: That's not in dispute. What is in dispute is singling individuals out for criticism when none of us know the facts.....and presumably never will. We are where we are. Lessons must be learned (a phrase I hate but is true none the less) and hopefully we won't need to go back for him in Jan because one of our kids has cemented a place in the squad. The buck stops with those at the top who had the power and influence over the deal, which was ballsed up. The phrase involving the words "falling on ones sword" springs to mind here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 minute ago, oldtimeram said: The buck stops with those at the top who had the power and influence over the deal, which was ballsed up. The phrase involving the words "falling on ones sword" springs to mind here. The fault is with the player for not signing the contract in the correct place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, cheron85 said: It's like people on here have never made a mistake ever in their lives - I have to deal with little mistakes like this made by someone in a chain about once a week - It's part of life Having to deal with contracts all the time, I have had people sign the wrong place. Even had it a few times where I have my finger on the line they need to sign and then they still try and sign the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon the ram 2009 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just now, Sparkle said: The fault is with the player for not signing the contract in the correct place No the fault is with whoever checked the paperwork before it was faxed to the EFL, which as someone that's ITK was down to Keogh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritty Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I reckon we should move on. What's done is done. Am sure some lessons will have been learnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 The whole situation is a complete shambles. Why on earth leave things to the last minute? Anyway, it is the responsibility for the senior officials to make it abundantly clear where the player should sign any document, especially at such a late hour in the transfer window. When I needed signatures from clients I made it very clear where they needed to sign and date a document. Ultimately, it is my belief that senior management failed abysmally in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, oldtimeram said: The buck stops with those at the top who had the power and influence over the deal, which was ballsed up. The phrase involving the words "falling on ones sword" springs to mind here. Who cares? Try being productive 4 minutes ago, Sparkle said: The fault is with the player for not signing the contract in the correct place Who cares? Try being productive 3 minutes ago, rynny said: Having to deal with contracts all the time, I have had people sign the wrong place. Even had it a few times where I have my finger on the line they need to sign and then they still try and sign the wrong place. Yeh - People are idiots - I work on the assumption that someone is about to do something incompetent at any given point in the day and when it happens I'll have to find a solution - WAY too much stupidity by way too many people every single day to waste time trying to work out who's to blame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just now, oldtimeram said: The whole situation is a complete shambles. Why on earth leave things to the last minute? Anyway, it is the responsibility for the senior officials to make it abundantly clear where the player should sign any document, especially at such a late hour in the transfer window. When I needed signatures from clients I made it very clear where they needed to sign and date a document. Ultimately, it is my belief that senior management failed abysmally in this matter. Blah blah blah whine whine whine Nobody cares... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, curtains said: I'm making the point Darren Wassall knows far more than Rowett about the U23s Then you should've removed the bit about GR knowing NOTHING about the U23's. Like that's even possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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