Ramchop Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I don't see what the big deal is. I thought we were going to bypass the midfield anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 There is only one option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsy1884 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I know in the prem that there is a free transfer window that runs on after the real window has closed. We signed Cisse in the middle of October i think a few years back so maybe there is a chance we could get someone if we were desperate. I.e. Joe Ledley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie G Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Once the envy of all championship clubs: Hendrick,Hughes,Thorne, Bryson,Eustace Two academy products, one old head , one goal scoring attacker and then an upcoming midfielder who'd represented England at most levels. Where have we gone so wrong to be talking Baird and Hanson in the middle of midfield because Maikel Kieftenbelds transfers fell through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Charlie G said: Once the envy of all championship clubs: Hendrick,Hughes,Thorne, Bryson,Eustace Two academy products, one old head , one goal scoring attacker and then an upcoming midfielder who'd represented England at most levels. Where have we gone so wrong to be talking Baird and Hanson in the middle of midfield because Maikel Kieftenbelds transfers fell through. Because we sold Hendrick and Hughes, Thorne is perennially injured, Bryson went off the boil after he was given a fat new contract and time caught up with Eustace. Not sure why you think things have gone so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Inglorius said: Because we sold Hendrick and Hughes, Thorne is perennially injured, Bryson went off the boil after he was given a fat new contract and time caught up with Eustace. Not sure why you think things have gone so wrong. Welcome everyone to series 5 of Game of Thongs ! .............Send in the Dragons ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikaze Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 hours ago, DCFC1388 said: Can see us going for a free agent like Ledley now Or Jan Kirschoff ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 hours ago, kingsy1884 said: I know in the prem that there is a free transfer window that runs on after the real window has closed. We signed Cisse in the middle of October i think a few years back so maybe there is a chance we could get someone if we were desperate. I.e. Joe Ledley. Why is this desperate? He would be a coup for anyone in this league. The only desperate part would be willing to pay his huge wage that is the only reason I would think why no one has snapped him up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammed79 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Sounds like Max Bird is being fast tracked into the first team along with Thorne being nudged back to full fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 02/09/2017 at 21:24, lioncoeur said: You're pretty much wrong about M. Kieftenbeld's passing ability, you should better watch some of the highlights from Birmingham City's matches on youtube. For example: https://goo.gl/h7sk4a https://goo.gl/RPcsgz He's actually quite a good in short-passing, exchanging short passes with his teammates and creating situations, but it's also true he almost never plays long passes. And technically maybe he's even better than T. Huddlestone in certain segments of the game. He posses a certain level of trickery in his game. He's also the third best tackler in the Championship. http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/10/19/the-top-tackling-championship-teams-including-leeds-and-villa/ The only thing in which he's not so good, he collects too many yellow cards, average 7 yellow cards per season making him suspension prone. He is not a world beater, but at the Championship level he's a top class midfield scrapper. As i said that info came from the blues forum. I haven't even heard of him let alone watch him play. I remember when we got youtube footage of Blackman showing what a great striker he was. Reality we do know is something very different. Time will tell with the dutch fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 When we sold Hughes, Bryson and Butterfield and never replaced them with at least one playmaker, the writing was on the wall we would suffer . Having only one formation 4-2-3-1 with only 2 midfielders was always going to fail. To was far to easy for city to plsy through us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Hobhead Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, toddy said: When we sold Hughes, Bryson and Butterfield and never replaced them with at least one playmaker, the writing was on the wall we would suffer . Having only one formation 4-2-3-1 with only 2 midfielders was always going to fail. To was far to easy for city to plsy through us. And neither Will, Craig or Jacob are getting much game time at their new clubs. No idea if that's relevant. But I still can't believe we intentionally reduced any kind of creativity from the squad during the summer. You can only assume GR wanted this. A slow, older squad with less flair. Or perhaps those departed players weren't happy here and the GR direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I get the impression he wants our midfield to be a replica of Leicester's title winners. Huddlestone doing a Drinkwater, sitting deep and looking to spray them quick and early on the break and, as the hipsters would say, a midfield 'shuttler' alongside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Warren Hobhead said: And neither Will, Craig or Jacob are getting much game time at their new clubs. Err wasn't Bryson MoM yesterday? Butterfield has played. Rowett didn't want Hughes to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I fully understand the worry over the midfield. Personally feel we are desperate for Thorne but there is no guarantee he will come back ready. But also I think we need to be flexible in what we have in front of Huddlestone/Johnson, especially away from home. I said yesterday that when the opposition get their tails up then those two are very much exposed. It's not Huddlestone's fault, it's the overall team protection in the centre. Vydra is a fantastic attacking player and while he's scoring you can't question his place in the 11, but it's coming at a price away from home when he's in that no 10 role. This isn't pointing fingers, but just a possibility of why Huddlestone and Johnson are having problems. We need someone who is going to squeeze the space in front of the cm's, but that defensive side isn't Vydras game. Our ability of becoming a unit to break down is getting towards embarrassing because we essentially can't become one. We look fantastic when are attacking and everything is flowing but the first sign that we aren't on top we look weak and opponents capitalise on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Hobhead Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Err wasn't Bryson MoM yesterday? Butterfield has played. Rowett didn't want Hughes to stay. Was he? I don't know. I've only seen that he started at last after barely figuring. He went off and they equalised. Butterfield has had about 10 minutes three times by the looks of it. Hughes barely figuring. So yeah, my point stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Warren Hobhead said: And neither Will, Craig or Jacob are getting much game time at their new clubs. No idea if that's relevant. But I still can't believe we intentionally reduced any kind of creativity from the squad during the summer. You can only assume GR wanted this. A slow, older squad with less flair. Or perhaps those departed players weren't happy here and the GR direction? Get the impression that Rowett has a "you're either with me or against me" approach. His first priority seemed to be to get rid of certain players and he said that from day one. It was also clear that having the right kind of back six - goalkeeper to holding mid - was more important than anything else. Beyond that, he also seemed to chase strikers that suited his style of play. I think Rowett's ran out of time and money to have the midfield or wings as a priority. The man's not stupid, I'm sure he sees it too, but I think it's easy to disagree with the order in which he decided to change things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 7 hours ago, toddy said: When we sold Hughes, Bryson and Butterfield and never replaced them with at least one playmaker, the writing was on the wall we would suffer . Having only one formation 4-2-3-1 with only 2 midfielders was always going to fail. To was far to easy for city to plsy through us. How can you include Bryson in that list as a playmaker when he is about as far from one as you can get. We have two of them in the squad, Huddlestone and Thorne. That point is also completely irrelevant to the problem we're currently suffering, which is our midfield duo of Johnson and Huddlestone is defensively appalling. The trouble mainly lies with Huddlestones lack of mobility, which is highlighted particularly when we're away from home and on the backfoot. It's pretty obvious Rowett sees this as the issue too as his pursuit of Kieftenbeld is pretty telling. Thankfully at Pride Park we're usually on the front foot and teams want to sit back, so Huddlestone can do what he does best and ping passes under little pressure. If Thorne eventually returns to full fitness and doesn't have any more injury troubles (fingers crossed), I can see him replacing Huddlestone completely when we're away and perhaps taking over Johnsons position when we're at home. Either way you look at it the problem with our midfield isn't creativity, it's with the defensive side in mobility, positioning and tackling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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