Stive Pesley Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 hours ago, RamsPolls said: Can't say I remember much about Tom being in a Derby shirt, I remember his long passing being a thing of beauty to watch. And I remember him never scoring but having LOADS of long range efforts that we were all willing to break the net as he drew back his peg... And then I remember he looked pretty ponderous and immobile in the games against Hull last season and how we laughed at him and Livermore as being a pair of slow has-beens. Erm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, StivePesley said: I remember his long passing being a thing of beauty to watch. And I remember him never scoring but having LOADS of long range efforts that we were all willing to break the net as he drew back his peg... And then I remember he looked pretty ponderous and immobile in the games against Hull last season and how we laughed at him and Livermore as being a pair of slow has-beens. Erm And we all remember him scoring his first professional goal don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, StivePesley said: And then I remember he looked pretty ponderous and immobile in the games against Hull last season and how we laughed at him and Livermore as being a pair of slow has-beens. My retro-active revision of history suggests that never happened since Tommy is basically (almost) as close to my heart now as Sir Jake and Livermore (somehow) seems to be an England international... I mean it definitely happened but I now feel shame for laughing at our Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I don't subscribe to the pace myth. Just because you don't have flat out sprint speed, doesn't mean you aren't rapid at moving the ball. Thorne isn't fast, but he moves the ball quickly. Into feet, turn out, ping a pass, all in a second. Huddlestone is much the same. Take Keogh, whose running speed is fantastic, gets the ball, and runs toward the half way line, before releasing the ball. He's a fast a player but doesn't necessarily speed up play. GT and TH are slow players that can often speed up play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, TroyDyer said: I don't subscribe to the pace myth. Just because you don't have flat out sprint speed, doesn't mean you aren't rapid at moving the ball. Thorne isn't fast, but he moves the ball quickly. Into feet, turn out, ping a pass, all in a second. Huddlestone is much the same. Take Keogh, whose running speed is fantastic, gets the ball, and runs toward the half way line, before releasing the ball. He's a fast a player but doesn't necessarily speed up play. GT and TH are slow players that can often speed up play. I'd say that's more an obvious side of Chrissy Martin's play. The speed of counter attacks and general play is much quicker with him up front, yet he's not nessecerily a fast sprinter. Speed in a footballing sense is about how fast they can think of a pass/shot and the reaction time to that. Bent, Christie, Dawkins, even Camara are all examples where they are very fast on their feet, but not fast thinkers and IMO all of those would slow down the teams play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 38 minutes ago, TroyDyer said: I don't subscribe to the pace myth. Just because you don't have flat out sprint speed, doesn't mean you aren't rapid at moving the ball. Thorne isn't fast, but he moves the ball quickly. Into feet, turn out, ping a pass, all in a second. Huddlestone is much the same. Take Keogh, whose running speed is fantastic, gets the ball, and runs toward the half way line, before releasing the ball. He's a fast a player but doesn't necessarily speed up play. GT and TH are slow players that can often speed up play. I think most are more worried about it when we haven't got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, StringerBell said: I think most are more worried about it when we haven't got the ball. If they are sitting in front of the back 4 then I doubt pace will be much of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, TroyDyer said: If they are sitting in front of the back 4 then I doubt pace will be much of a problem. I can see it being a problem in a midfield two. One of them is going to have to venture forward a little at some point. Get caught out and it could spell trouble. Quick passing three man midfields could easily pass around them too. I can see why people have reservations about them playing together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I wonder if he's pandering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Having seen Timi Elsnik in the second half at Macclesfield I would like to see a pairing of him & Huddlestone in a 4-2-3-1. They would compliment each other imo. Elsnik was very mobile, had neat crisp passing and left footed. Tommy is a master passer, will sit in, right footed and very experienced. Ideal partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 6 hours ago, oomarkwright said: It's a no from me. He was slow 12 years ago. Goes against what GR was initially trying to achieve with young fast hungry players. Would rather see Timi elsnick or others given a go. Sold him for £800k his best years elsewhere. Buy him back for 2mill. Still need to shift some out too. Let's hope he finally scores 15 years after his debut. Nevertheless, good luck Tom. Welcome back. Hope you prove to be the right signing. If we go up this season it will have been worth it. I think GR was talking about attacking players when talking about fast young players. DM's Do not need to be fast, They are mainly there to dictate play and protect the back 4. Great signing for me and still one of the best passers of a ball in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 A young, hungry, fast DM - at championship level, would be one that cant pass or has little vision. This is the Championship, people. You want a player that has decent levels of everything you need to be in the prem. I'd rather have a player with vision and a great pass than one who can run forever. Had enough of players running about and doing f**k all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: I think GR was talking about attacking players when talking about fast young players. DM's Do not need to be fast, They are mainly there to dictate play and protect the back 4. Great signing for me and still one of the best passers of a ball in this league. you dont have to run like a hare if you can place a pass 20/30 yards accurately and Huddlestone has being doing the for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 7 hours ago, oomarkwright said: He was slow 12 years ago. He doesn't look slow to me. If somebody would ask me, D. Nugent has great difficulty catching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, lioncoeur said: He doesn't look slow to me. If somebody would ask me, D. Nugent has great difficulty catching him. Damn you're good. I've always struggled to perceive the speed in still pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, Dimmu said: Damn you're good. I've always struggled to perceive the speed in still pictures. I posses a photo-finish eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I do wonder why everyone today is so obsessed with pace. It seems in England, everyone wants a player who is fast, rather than a player that has the technical ability. Let's look at the German 2014 world cup side. The Germans didn't possess a huge amount of pace in that side, they won the world cup from technical performance and ability to pass the ball. What happened to the pacey English players? We went out in the group stages. There is countless amounts of 'quick' players that have absolutely no ball control, and wouldn't improve the side at all, and yet some fans would still prefer them to players such as Martin, as Martin ''isn't fast enough''. I'll take Camara as my example, the guy has pace, he also has very little ball control. Was he a good signing? I think we can all agree, he wasn't. So forgive my skepticism when the main criticism of a player is due to their perceived lack of pace (an attribute which isn't overly important for a central midfield player). George Thorne is one of the best midfielders we've had in a long time (when fit). That is because of his vision and ability to pass, not his pace. Finally, Huddlestone has never had pace, or been overly mobile. And yet, he played in the Champions League, and for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 37 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: He doesn't look slow to me. If somebody would ask me, D. Nugent has great difficulty catching him. In a masculine way he looks very lean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Andicis said: I do wonder why everyone today is so obsessed with pace. It seems in England, everyone wants a player who is fast, rather than a player that has the technical ability. Let's look at the German 2014 world cup side. The Germans didn't possess a huge amount of pace in that side, they won the world cup from technical performance and ability to pass the ball. What happened to the pacey English players? We went out in the group stages. There is countless amounts of 'quick' players that have absolutely no ball control, and wouldn't improve the side at all, and yet some fans would still prefer them to players such as Martin, as Martin ''isn't fast enough''. I'll take Camara as my example, the guy has pace, he also has very little ball control. Was he a good signing? I think we can all agree, he wasn't. So forgive my skepticism when the main criticism of a player is due to their perceived lack of pace (an attribute which isn't overly important for a central midfield player). George Thorne is one of the best midfielders we've had in a long time (when fit). That is because of his vision and ability to pass, not his pace. Finally, Huddlestone has never had pace, or been overly mobile. And yet, he played in the Champions League, and for England. Wasn't Hussain Bolt looking to play football? He should be quick enough, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramant62 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, richinspain said: Wasn't Hussain Bolt looking to play football? He should be quick enough, surely? Can't say I know anything about the attributes of Hussain Bolt however, Usain I know is very quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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