bcnram Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 But why? Do you think he's at home sniggering at all the nasty comments he's getting?I don't think anyone would be happier than McClean if his actions were completely ignored. Knowing people will be worked up by something isn't a good enough reason to avoid doing the right thing.I suspect that due to the lack of an 'idiot filter' he is absolutely enjoying the attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I suspect that due to the lack of an 'idiot filter' he is absolutely enjoying the attention.Just a thought.... What if he was English and he had done the same thing to the Irish national anthem because he disagreed with IRA troubles or a united Ireland? Would you call him an idiot then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 he is now open for abuse that the team could do without, the opposing fans will be winding him up en masse, the amount of footballers that don't believe in the queen as head of state would be pretty high I would imagine but to make a blatant statement like that is wrong, the player is representing a team that pays his wages !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 he is now open for abuse that the team could do without, the opposing fans will be winding him up en masse, the amount of footballers that don't believe in the queen as head of state would be pretty high I would imagine but to make a blatant statement like that is wrong, the player is representing a team that pays his wages !!West Brom would fully have known his views when he signed him. Naive to think they hadn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Is he turning his back?The video is on page 3 of this thread. Yes, he is.Looks like he turned side on to me.......either that or everyone is at a right angle to the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It isn't just a flag it is symbolic of the freedom and democracy this country stands for.That's a matter of opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Just a thought.... What if he was English and he had done the same thing to the Irish national anthem because he disagreed with IRA troubles or a united Ireland? Would you call him an idiot then?Unionists in Northern Ireland symbolically burn flags of the Republic of Ireland every July 12th on huge bonfires. I don't think a big fuss is made about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Just a thought.... What if he was English and he had done the same thing to the Irish national anthem because he disagreed with IRA troubles or a united Ireland? Would you call him an idiot then?Of course I would, why ever would I not? It would be a disgrace and an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Of course I would, why ever would I not? It would be a disgrace and an insult.Just smacks of "Outraged... Penelope of Tunbridge Wells" to me over this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Oh, so anybody of the opinion he's been a bit of a nob or a little hypocritical is down for your ridicule eh ? Funny how those (like me) who think that have to justify their opinions but we don't really care about those that don't think that way.I'm not saying I'm right I'm just saying I feel he'sbeen a bit of a nob, no more no less. Am I supposed to see how everyone posts and run with the pack ? Nah, I'll stick to posting how I feel, at the end of the day, it's not that important is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Just smacks of "Outraged... Penelope of Tunbridge Wells" to me over this.... That's your issue not mine.... question of standards old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 That's your issue not mine.... question of standards old boy.Fair enough, think what's got lost is that I don't agree with his stance either... Probably me over egging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I might be in the minority but I respect his decision. It's obviously something that he feels passionate about.I respect his decision too but if he feels so passionately that he cannot even look at the Union Jack how come he lives in a country that the flag represents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 he is a hypocritical ***** if he's happy to take money from his British (mostly) employers, and accept adoration from his British fans, yet can't even stand to look at the British flag. **** off back to Ireland you utter knob!!His disagreement is with the political and military actions of the British government and armed forces, represented by the union flag and the poppy, not with his football club or its fans. By your argument, every British citizen who disagrees with some aspect of our government's foreign policy, like the Iraq war for example, should leave the country. There wouldn't be many of us left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 His disagreement is with the political and military actions of the British government and armed forces, represented by the union flag and the poppy, not with his football club or its fans. By your argument, every British citizen who disagrees with some aspect of our government's foreign policy, like the Iraq war for example, should leave the country. There wouldn't be many of us left. The flag doesn't just represent the armed forces. It represents the country as a whole. Going by your logic you assume that anyone who respects the flag agrees with every decision our government makes.Just to add, it was an England flag, not the Union Jack. It shouldn't matter, but there are obvious reason to argue why the Union Jack would be more unpalatable to McClean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowram Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 McClean is a hypocrite who should live by his principles and live and play in the Irish Republic where he clearly belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 But, but, but........ He was geographically born in the United Kingdom and is a UK citizen. If his parents were that uptight about it, they should have hopped across the border and delivered him there. I travel to Belfast and Lisburn a fair bit on biz and believe me, it is largely resolved apart from a few idiots and an odd parade here and there to stir things up. Religion eh?? Cause of so much strife.anyone born in Northern Ireland is automatically given Irish citizenship if they want it by the Irish state. If his parents don't recognise that border, why would they 'hop across' it? Being born in a particular political entity does not necessarily make you of that entity, even if you live and work there. Just ask a Palestinian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 anyone born in Northern Ireland is automatically given Irish citizenship if they want it by the Irish state. If his parents don't recognise that border, why would they 'hop across' it? Being born in a particular political entity does not necessarily make you of that entity, even if you live and work there. Just ask a Palestinian. it matters not what his parents recognised. He was very happy to represent N. Ireland at U21 level, I assume he switched to Ireland as he would have a slightly better chance of making it to major finals with our friends from the South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 anyone born in Northern Ireland is automatically given Irish citizenship if they want it by the Irish state. If his parents don't recognise that border, why would they 'hop across' it? Being born in a particular political entity does not necessarily make you of that entity, even if you live and work there. Just ask a Palestinian. i didn't know this ? wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Going by your logic you assume that anyone who respects the flag agrees with every decision our government makes.That is not a logical deduction from the statement I made, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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