Ramchope Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I hate this idea so much. Limit the amount of young players 'big' clubs (Chelsea) can buy and more young English players will be playing in the Premier League/Championship. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuff264 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 If we limit foreign players, without creating quality English players then all that is created is a **** league with no talent in it Work needs to be put in at the grass roots so that there are quality English players to choose from and they would be good enough to be naturally selected ahead of there foreign counterparts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I hate this idea so much. Limit the amount of young players 'big' clubs (Chelsea) can buy and more young English players will be playing in the Premier League/Championship. Sorted.How will that work then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 If we limit foreign players, without creating quality English players then all that is created is a **** league with no talent in it Work needs to be put in at the grass roots so that there are quality English players to choose from and they would be good enough to be naturally selected ahead of there foreign counterpartsThat is true and this is 1 idea. Whether or not it will work who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 What happens if a team gets relegated and ends up in the same league as the B team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 If we limit foreign players, without creating quality English players then all that is created is a **** league with no talent in it Work needs to be put in at the grass roots so that there are quality English players to choose from and they would be good enough to be naturally selected ahead of there foreign counterparts That is what much of the proposal is about. Up to the age of around 15/16 our players are equally as good as those from our main EU rivals. It is between that age and them reaching the point where they should be of an age to get into the first team that we start to fall away. From the report; As a result of having B teams, 18-21 year-olds in Spain play typically 2.6 times more first team football than their English counterparts each season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 A question: If there is so much interest amongst premier league clubs for this B team thing, what is the real benefit? It can't be to help the England team. The premier league has had 20 years of opportunities to develop English talent and has failed to do so. The premier league is not interested in English talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Or what we could do instead FA is limit the amount of professional contracts a club is allowed to have with players. Like you already limit squad sizes for different competitions. Then you could implement a restriction on agents fees. Say 10% up to X amount. You could also then limit the amount a player under the age of 18 or 21 can earn directly in wages. For players who are under 21 who genuinely deserve higher wages, it is simple the club can offer them unrestricted bonuses based on clauses such as appearances, goals, assists, etc. This will improve things in every league. All the talent will no longer be hoovered up by the top clubs. Young up and coming talent won't command or demand £20,000 a week. Because right now, the top clubs hoover up the young talent and stick them on £20,000 a week. We have a few at our club. What happens then is 99% do not cut it for the top club and most never play for them. Yet because some club was willing to give them £20,000 a week when they were 18 because they kicked a ball a few times in a professional match they demand at least that amount. This then inflates football league spending on wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 A question: If there is so much interest amongst premier league clubs for this B team thing, what is the real benefit? It can't be to help the England team. The premier league has had 20 years of opportunities to develop English talent and has failed to do so. The premier league is not interested in English talent. This is an FA Commission. Not all Premier League teams have expressed support for it. The real benefit for the Premier League teams is that it gives them an opportunity to better develop their 18-21 year old players with competitive football. The hopeful knock-on value for England is that some of those players will be better placed to develop into international players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Is there a minority report or were they unanimous in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The report is worth reading, although I confess to only having skimmed through much of it up to now. There would be much to fine tune but it raises some valid points on the problems and possible solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Not sure how playing Dagenham & Redbridge will help young English talent that much, the real issues are in grass roots coaching/facilities. Lets face it, not like these reserve teams going to be all English and don't see how the work permit ban for non EU FL players is going to be legal. Mind you the big clubs, don't have an issue getting permits even if the players don't fit the requirements. Also you may get the strange situation of team finishing 10th getting promoted through a play-off system and teams being demoted if their "parent" team get relegated to L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Grass roots football is an issue that needs to be addressed, but the development of 18-21 year olds is also a real issue as they do not have enough competitive football. The U-21 leagues are hardly competitive but playing against the Daggers will most definitely be competitive. Regarding the non-EU players Visa issues. It seems that the FA are going to really clamp down on some of the players who are not at the top level getting through. Yes it would be legal, because they work with the UK Border Agency in agreeing the criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 They'd do better to make an England U21's team run by the FA that entered the league system themselves. Promising young English players could sign for them from an academy and instead of wasting their time on United's bench, be out playing with the other promising English players on a daily basis, forming bonds (which would pay dividends if they were to make it to the national stage) Players that impress could be bought by other clubs (Tottenham for 8 million) and the fee's could pay the wages of new players and funding for youth football. They could have 2/3 of these teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 They'd do better to make an England U21's team run by the FA that entered the league system themselves. Promising young English players could sign for them from an academy and instead of wasting their time on United's bench, be out playing with the other promising English players on a daily basis, forming bonds (which would pay dividends if they were to make it to the national stage) Players that impress could be bought by other clubs (Tottenham for 8 million) and the fee's could pay the wages of new players and funding for youth football. They could have 2/3 of these teams. They did look at putting an U21 team in the Championship but dismissed the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The English system will never be as good as our European neighbours because of the money and importance of reaching the PL.... In the likes of Germany, Spain and Holland etc. there is little pressure on managers to achieve short-term gains which therefore gives them time to build up a squad, implement a system and stick to it. In England, it's either get promoted or you're sacked. The average manager lasts 12 months in England, how is that good for young players when one manager likes to play football and another likes to play survival hoofball? Young players aren't being taught different (and mostly wrong) stuff all the time. Remember when I praised Keith Hill for his passing style? At Barnsley, they had some cracking youngsters in Drinkwater, Butterfield, O'Brien, Potter etc... What did they do, they panicked after a bad run and sacked him... Now, they play hoofball and got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 By the end of July there will have been 12 world cups in my lifetime, of which England have failed to qualify for 3. Given that they didn't have to qualify for the 1970 tournament by dint of winning the tournament at home 4 years previously, the qualification rate of just under 75%. For the European championships the rate is similar, having failed to qualify in 2 out of 8 tournaments they needed to qualify for since the group tournament format was introduced in 1980. There were loads of England qualified players in 1974, 1978 and 1984. The problem is not the number of foreigners. It's the culture and footballing upbringing. That is not addressed by allowing premier league teams to enter B teams in an extra layer of the pyramid. As a footnote, of the youth team players who have broken into the first team at Derby in the last few years, only Hughes and Bennett are England qualified. Hendrick and O'Brien are foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 In a year's time, Scotland could be an independent non-EU country. What happens to all the scots in academies then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I really like this idea, tear up the lower league structure to correct the failures of the Premier League. Sounds fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 By the end of July there will have been 12 world cups in my lifetime, of which England have failed to qualify for 3. Given that they didn't have to qualify for the 1970 tournament by dint of winning the tournament at home 4 years previously, the qualification rate of just under 75%. For the European championships the rate is similar, having failed to qualify in 2 out of 8 tournaments they needed to qualify for since the group tournament format was introduced in 1980. There were loads of England qualified players in 1974, 1978 and 1984. The problem is not the number of foreigners. It's the culture and footballing upbringing. That is not addressed by allowing premier league teams to enter B teams in an extra layer of the pyramid. As a footnote, of the youth team players who have broken into the first team at Derby in the last few years, only Hughes and Bennett are England qualified. Hendrick and O'Brien are foreigners. Agree with a lot of this. The reality of the issue is, the reason why clubs aren't introducing young English players is because not many of them are actually any good. If a young player is good enough, he gets a game. Simple as that. Southampton aren't being brave by playing lots of players from the academy, it's just that their academy is producing players worth playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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