AndyinLiverpool Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Are there any good reason's why this should not be considered apart from mistrust? Bear in mind that this is an FA proposal not a Premier League proposal. I think what will happen is that the Football League clubs (Div 1 & 2) and the Combination will be powerless to object. League 3 will be introduced and 8 - 10 Premier league teams will put 'B' teams into the structure spread over League 3 and the Combination. The World will carry on, teams will enjoy playing against some of the best young talent in the country. Some of the best young talent in the country will enjoy pitting themselves against more experienced and wiser players. Those who in the last couple of days have said that they will turn their backs on football will get over their 'drama queen' acts and continue to support their clubs. he Premier league clubs will be happy that they are in control of their young talent, the lower league clubs will realise that they had nothing to worry about. All will be well... The Football League will have to vote for it. It is, after all, a change to their structure. Not sure what the majority would need to be. Everybody should ask: how is this good for the football league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Here's an interesting statistic; % of U21 teams that are foreign. AFC - 55% MCFC - 42% CFC - 47% MUFC - 46% THFC - 50% LFC - 56% For the good of English football, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Here's an interesting statistic; % of U21 teams that are foreign. AFC - 55% MCFC - 42% CFC - 47% MUFC - 46% THFC - 50% LFC - 56% For the good of English football, eh? Read the report - That is what the issue is. 18-21 players not reaching the same development because.... oh just read the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Football League will have to vote for it. It is, after all, a change to their structure. Not sure what the majority would need to be. Everybody should ask: how is this good for the football league? They will be forced to go with it in the end £££ Or why is it bad for the football league?? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Read the report - That is what the issue is. 18-21 players not reaching the same development because.... oh just read the report. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 They will be forced to go with it in the end £££ Or why is it bad for the football league?? :-) Just show how spineless they are as per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Football League will have to vote for it. It is, after all, a change to their structure. Not sure what the majority would need to be. 75% of football league overall, with at least 75% of championship clubs agreeing to any structural change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Read the report - That is what the issue is. 18-21 players not reaching the same development because.... oh just read the report. Because they can't get a game from Charsepool Utd reserves? Then why allow all the 18yo talent to be in Charsepool Utd reserves? Set the squad and loan regs so these players are being developed at Crewe and Notts County and Preston, playing week in and week out competitive football - and if they make it, they get their move to the big time when they're ready to play at that level. I cannot conceive of why you're so in favour of bolloxing up the league pyramid to help Abramovich and the that arab at Man City. It won't make any odds to the England team at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Also, it's a report by the FA for the friends of the FA, therefore it's not worth diddly squat to 'grass roots' clubs or fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The report says to league 1 and league 2 that their league is worthless except as a playground for the youngsters of rich clubs. Danny mills, on the commission and also paid by the BBC to watch premier league football, thinks fans of lower league teams would rather watch their teams play man Utd reserves than Torquay. I wonder if he's asked many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Because they can't get a game from Charsepool Utd reserves? Then why allow all the 18yo talent to be in Charsepool Utd reserves? Set the squad and loan regs so these players are being developed at Crewe and Notts County and Preston, playing week in and week out competitive football - and if they make it, they get their move to the big time when they're ready to play at that level. I cannot conceive of why you're so in favour of bolloxing up the league pyramid to help Abramovich and the that arab at Man City. It won't make any odds to the England team at all. So don't allow the top teams with the best coaches and facilities to coach young players and make all youngsters learn their trade with less successful teams. I can see how that will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Also, it's a report by the FA for the friends of the FA, therefore it's not worth diddly squat to 'grass roots' clubs or fans. Not worth diddly squat!! Much like your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The report says to league 1 and league 2 that their league is worthless except as a playground for the youngsters of rich clubs. Danny mills, on the commission and also paid by the BBC to watch premier league football, thinks fans of lower league teams would rather watch their teams play man Utd reserves than Torquay. I wonder if he's asked many. I have been through the report and have not read that anywhere - your imagination is running rife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 You are right!! we are just not producing the right sort of players. We should be producing players of that age, who have had the opportunity to develop in a competitive environment against experienced adult players in proper stadia with hostile crowds. That is what the Spanish have over us (their players of that age on average play 2.6 times more competitive football), or the Germans, or the French and Belgians and Dutch and so on and so on who have all opened their eyes to what is required. Or, we could do nothing... You've misunderstood what I'm saying. Ignoring the lack of game time for one moment - the players we're producing aren't good enough full stop. Do you think if Tom Cleverley played B team football in the 5th tier, he'd be a ball-playing playmaker? Would he even be any better? The problem with English players aged 18-21 is that most of them are crap. That is the reality, and the FA won't admit it. The main reason why Spanish players get more competitive football in that age group is because they are better players. They've trained on proper pitches, learned to find space, learned to control a football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Central League didn't catch on. Playing against players going through the motions as they come back from injury will not be helpful to anyone. The Central League and the Southern version the Football Combination were most definitely not competitive. The Central league was competitive in 71-72 when the Rams won it as well as the League Championship and the Texaco Cup. It indicated the strength of the Derby County squad, the value of a settled first team, AND a rule limiting the number of Foreign players an English league club could field. Bring back that ruling if the FA is serious about nurturing our best home grown players and really intends to have a strong international squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 So don't allow the top teams with the best coaches and facilities to coach young players and make all youngsters learn their trade with less successful teams. I can see how that will help. Do you think there are only a dozen good coaches in England? That it has to be a "big" club to improve a kid? Crewe Alexandra would argue differently. The fact is that there's more than a fancy training ground and technical coaching to it. Learning the trade and a bit of humility instead of thinking they've made it at 16 can make a player. Kevin Keegan for instance. Truly top class internationals will be playing top flight football before they're 21 in many cases anyway. This idea is absolutely not about the national team. It's about making it easier for Charsepool Utd to re-enforce their dominance and it stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 You've misunderstood what I'm saying. Ignoring the lack of game time for one moment - the players we're producing aren't good enough full stop. Do you think if Tom Cleverley played B team football in the 5th tier, he'd be a ball-playing playmaker? Would he even be any better? The problem with English players aged 18-21 is that most of them are crap. That is the reality, and the FA won't admit it. The main reason why Spanish players get more competitive football in that age group is because they are better players. They've trained on proper pitches, learned to find space, learned to control a football... I am not so dismissive of our youngsters as you, we have plenty of talent and connot continue to stick our heads ion the sand like many on here seem to think is the right thing to do. Footballs has changed a lot and we have to change with it. For your interest, these are the four criteria that the report covers: Area 1 - Inadequate and insufficient competitive playing opportunities for 18-21 year-old elite players at top clubs Area 2 - Regulation of the player market in England is not effective in preserving the desired balance of British, EU and non-EU players in clubs Area 3 - Coaching and coach development, especially at grassroots level, have not yet reached a satisfactory level and impact Area 4 - England lags behind in the quantity and quality of affordable grassroots facilities, particularly in the provision of all-weather pitches Read more at http://www.thefa.com/news/thefa/2014/may/fa-commission-report#HzfEWPsHTIZr3OT5.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Central league was competitive in 71-72 when the Rams won it as well as the League Championship and the Texaco Cup. It indicated the strength of the Derby County squad, the value of a settled first team, AND a rule limiting the number of Foreign players an English league club could field. Bring back that ruling if the FA is serious about nurturing our best home grown players and really intends to have a strong international squad. The ruling would be illegal - Bosman and all that. Just because Derby won it didn't make it competitive. I watched many of those games that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I am not so dismissive of our youngsters as you, we have plenty of talent and connot continue to stick our heads ion the sand like many on here seem to think is the right thing to do. Footballs has changed a lot and we have to change with it. For your interest, these are the four criteria that the report covers: Area 1 - Inadequate and insufficient competitive playing opportunities for 18-21 year-old elite players at top clubs Area 2 - Regulation of the player market in England is not effective in preserving the desired balance of British, EU and non-EU players in clubs Area 3 - Coaching and coach development, especially at grassroots level, have not yet reached a satisfactory level and impact Area 4 - England lags behind in the quantity and quality of affordable grassroots facilities, particularly in the provision of all-weather pitches Read more at http://www.thefa.com/news/thefa/2014/may/fa-commission-report#HzfEWPsHTIZr3OT5.99 I genuinely couldn't give less of a **** what the problem is deemed to be if the solution is to **** our league pyramid over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Do you think there are only a dozen good coaches in England? That it has to be a "big" club to improve a kid? Crewe Alexandra would argue differently. The fact is that there's more than a fancy training ground and technical coaching to it. Learning the trade and a bit of humility instead of thinking they've made it at 16 can make a player. Kevin Keegan for instance. Truly top class internationals will be playing top flight football before they're 21 in many cases anyway. This idea is absolutely not about the national team. It's about making it easier for Charsepool Utd to re-enforce their dominance and it stinks. Do you think there are only a dozen good coaches in England? That it has to be a "big" club to improve a kid? No I don't, but it helps. Crewe Alexandra would argue differently. They have a reasonable record. The fact is that there's more than a fancy training ground and technical coaching to it. Learning the trade and a bit of humility instead of thinking they've made it at 16 can make a player. Kevin Keegan for instance. That is part of it. Truly top class internationals will be playing top flight football before they're 21 in many cases anyway. There are the odd ones of course, as in any sport occasionally a star comes along. This idea is absolutely not about the national team. It's about making it easier for Charsepool Utd to re-enforce their dominance and it stinks. They don't need to do that to maintain their dominance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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