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From previous reports, I believe it's on the basis that if we hadn't "overspent" we wouldn't have pipped them to the signing of Waghorn and would have finished below them in the table. 
Yet, as their Wikipedia page states  "a poor finish to the season caused them to finish 7th and miss out on the playoffs by one point." 
They picked up 16 points from their last 12 games but will no doubt be arguing that they would have breezed through the playoffs on that form, so we owe them oodles of cash. Given that a panel of football experts and successful gamblers would struggle to guess 50% of championship results correctly, I'm not sure how strong their case is, particularly when they still had the substantial advantage over us of Parachute Payments. 
But it'll waste more of our time and money, so job done I guess. 

This snippet from last night's meeting really pisses me off: 
"They are also fighting legal charges – for the Middlesbrough charge, lawyers has already been engaged  on both sides."
If this doesn't demonstrate Steve Gibson's malicious nature, nothing does.
What an absolute waste of administrators' time and the club's money. Talk about kick a man when he's down! 

He gets knocked down but he gets up again - Fozzy's never gonna let you down

I wasn't disagreeing with you, it wasn't a criticism of NC, just adding some context. I think it was 9 transfer windows across 4 years or something like that.
It works both ways.
The more money you have to spend the more money you have to waste, the bigger the transfer fees, the more obnoxious your spending looks when a player turns out not to be a good fit. However if you only ever really get to sign people on budget fees you're never taking the risk that an expensive signing might fail, and people more easily forget that ones which didn't work out.
High risk / low reward vs Low risk / high reward.
It's easy to remember the signings Clough made who went on to perform so well for us over a number of years but they only really cover maybe, what, 1 in 7 of his signings? (so roughly 8-9/60 who went on to impress in the long run).  I'd probably say another 3/7 were 'decent' signings and the other 3/7 "didn't work out".
Of his two 'expensive' signings (for us at the time) you've got Keogh & Sammon which is quite the contrast.
Other managers who've come and gone since then have been working under totally different budgets and expectations, so it's not really fair to compare but if you were then ratio wise you're probably looking at roughly similar, however value for money wise it's been a disaster. Whether that's purely down to the amount of money we've thrown about or the specific manager's ability to choose the right players is up for debate.
It's impossible to say what would have happened had Nigel  had the same budget as other managers, he could have signed more Keoghs or he could have signed more Sammons.
Anyway, Craig Forsyth, love him, deserves a testimonial.

Always been a player that has made me groan. Not in terms of effort, or loyalty, or Championship defensive ability really, just that he was, and still is, always prone to making terrible passes or over hitting crosses from good positions. I think probably though, in hindsight, I was measuring him at the peak of my groanfest alongside other players in the team. During the period 2013-2016 he stood out as it seemed it was so often him who would misplace a pass (into the crowd !) or breakdown an attacking move.
I do think actually his passing may have got better, but when I see Shinnie and Davies pass perhaps I just think he ain’t so bad now ?
That all said, I think the guy is great. To come back from 3 injuries and perform like he does wholeheartedly takes supreme mental strength. He also always gives full effort and seems to genuinely care for the club. He is one player who deserves a testimonial I would think, although hats off to the Club for supporting him throughout. If he has his testimonial away to Portsmouth I will definitely go.

I think Fozzy is a confidence player a few mistakes and groans early on seem to affect him more than most but I’m glad to see him playing well and getting recognition from our fans he’s been a very good servant to Derby over the years and rarely gets the run around from wingers.

It's good that past critics are starting to appreciate him. I've always felt that the main criticisms have been exaggerated, and sometimes people have doubled-down on them to save face. I don't understand that attitude. Now, with so many young left-sided defenders coming through, there's allot that he can pass on to them about playing at this level.
He's always struck me as a decent bloke too.

Fozzy always give 100 percent what been throught Derby stuck by him now he is sticking by Derby now.

Been a great servant to Derby, think the fact that we’ve had so many managers and he seems to be played by all of them shows his character. Fought back from a few serious injuries and still plays just Aswell, yes he has a mistake in him but so does everyone in the championship that’s why he’s a championship player 

The bloke who sits next to me hates him and over the years has never stopped berating him - till this season, he’s mellowed no end thankfully, Fozzy has long been my unsung hero. 
A colleague knows him and his wife and says that he is a genuinely lovely man personally too. 

Lol he launched that at him. Swear he was so bored of Swansea doing nothing he just had a go. 

Not too far away from a testimonial. 
Always liked Fozzy and as some have said, his experience is invaluable for us this season. He is now our Mr Derby County. He's seen a hell of a lot of change at the club in the time he's been here, suffered with some terrible injuries but has always been fit/focussed enough to bounce back. 
Definitely needs his own song, this season more than any other. 

Assuming the club are smart, and will send ST cards with the same address in one go, its still probably circa 8k in postage. If they are not smart and go card by card, its 16k in cost. Right now, that's a lot of money and time.
They should ask fans to collect their cards (up to a date), and in return, say you'd sell an additional ticket for half price to the next game as a reward. 
I'd pick up my season ticket just out of good will.

I hope he was wrong too and not meaning to shoot the messenger but, why would the father of an ex player know enough about the financial situation to question what the administrator is saying publicly? I doubt even the current players know a great deal more than most.

The more I hear from the administrators the more I fear all isn't as it seems and all isn't going to be as rosey as they are trying to suggest.
I overhead someone at the gym, a father of an ex Derby player saying Derby are in a much bigger mess than the administrators are letting on.
I really hope he is wrong and I am wrong.

Or the administrators could maybe say you won the amortisation case because Derby didn't have an accountant expert to defend it. We are accountants so you try it again and see how far it gets you.

I wonder if the administrators will try and strike a deal based on saying the following, at least as a starting point:
"Give us zero or very few points for the P&S loss and in return, we won't appeal the administration under the force majeure for Covid"
I'm sure the EFL wouldn't fancy us being the benchmark case for Covid otherwise, if they lost it, they would be in a lot of trouble.

Exactly. If Lawrence had killed someone when he went off the road he would have gone to jail and lost his job. He would have suffered for the consequence sof his actions.  Keogh injured himself so suffered the consequences of his actions.. he cannot expect Derby to compensate him for that... although according to Percy he has been.

It’s a faff, we paid for a season ticket, not a seasons worth of printing tickets from home. 
why can’t they just re register the old cards?

Only if you have a smart phone or access to a printer which has been discussed at length a lot of the older generation don’t necessarily have. No idea how much it costs to programme a season card but presumably the turnstiles have to be programmed for individual games anyway.

Newcastle and Sunderland have that part of the country pretty much to themselves, which I think helps to explain their continuing strong levels of support. 

It’s all an act though.

Yeah, they also have an extremely negative view of everything connected with club. 
Anyone who saw Bielik play last season and still thinks we overpaid for him is having a laugh.
Whether we should have spent that kind of money is a different issue.

Are you sure you're not talking about Keogh?
No class and pure ruthlessness would have been sacking them all (which would be 5 players, not just the main 3), not trying to find a solution to suit the circumstances. Offering someone a reduced wage, free rehabilitation and a chance to make amends to the club, the fans, their teammates etc isn't being classless and ruthless.
No class and ruthlessness is taking an offer (one which in reality was more generous than anyone should expect given their actions) -  playing the martyr about how you feel pressured into accepting it, laughingly complaining that it "didn't feel like a negotiation" (it bloody well shouldn't have been you entitled berk!)  - rejecting it and effectively suing the person who put it in front of you because you see an opportunity to make some money.
No class and ruthlessness is taking that money whilst the club you profess to love is in administration and people on a normal wage (still less than you would have been offered) are losing their jobs.
No class and ruthlessness is never accepting any culpability for your actions, never apologising to anyone.
Some call Rowett The Snake, but Keogh & his agent are lower than a snake's belly.

Eh? Are people forgetting that Keogh got himself injured? So they didn't 'all do the same' - Keogh made himself useless to DCFC. The others did a very silly thing but were still capable of playing. 
With regard to Mutu - yes, Chelsea successfully sued him for the £15m.