kevinhectoring

51 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:

Once again it’s bringing the game into disrepute and the EFL should charge him over it.

Couhig brings the human race into disrepute

1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:

Has he actually registered a claim though? @Charlotte Ram thinks not.

Don’t think he did. When MM sorted out the Gibbo claim, Hoskin said that the Wycombe claim would not cause problems. Based on that and Couhig’s latest comments, wonder whether he ‘settled’ for a small payment which would be paid when we come out of admin. It’s absurd he should get anything 

4 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

You want to put him in goal or at RB?

? 

Bielik to CB and Louis in midfield please. 

18 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Very close to it with just Davies Forsyth and Kazim staying.:

???
???   Davies   Cashin   Forsyth
Bird   Bielik   LThompson
Sibley   Kazim   Knight

Has Watson gone ?

10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

23 is pretty good for a stadium worth 80m ?     (Assuming 202 is debt free ) 

that’s a parting gift of 57 from MM 

32 minutes ago, ram59 said:

BTW Roy, don't bother to take your wide angle lens for the team photo.?

Haha and don’t forget the lollipops

9 hours ago, Brailsford Ram said:

GSE's ownership was a consortium of investors fronted by Andy Appleby and it was far stronger than Mel Morris' dictatorship as was the League of Gentlemen.

Can’t question that logic 

39 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

Go to my profile and trawl through the posts from today. It's all there. Basically, I think that IF all comes to a final agreement then Appleby through General Sports Worldwide will be a shareholder in the club. Whether the consortium will extend beyond DC and GSW I have no idea. But my understanding is that since CK withdrew, and maybe even before, there has been a lot of co-operation between the two and that would go some way to explaining how DC has gone so quickly from being the man to buy the stadium for CK  to the man to buy the club as well in such a short space of time since CK withdrew and all of a sudden the takeover is nearly complete. Sam Rush has been helping because of his knowledge of EFL protocols but he has no designs on coming back to working within the club.

I’m not itk so have no inside view on what’s likely to happen. I also completely understand if Clowes says - this is the family silver, I need to derisk.

But for me a consortium is a weak ownership model and I’ll be disappointed if we end up in the position where decision making is stymied by lengthy clauses in shareholders agreement. 

22 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

Impossible unless David Clowes relinquishes his exclusivity and just how likely do you think that is after his mammoth efforts of the past month? Do you believe in fairies?

And if you don't believe it will happen, why even say it?

Clowes has complete control absolutely right. But if someone comes in with a better deal and if you’re  in the large camp of people who think Clowes is ambivalent about ownership, sure he might step aside. I mention it because it’s still a possibility. A slim one 

14 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

I've been explaining my take since late morning and none of it is guesswork.

Seen posts from you on various aspects but not this one. Sorry if I missed it.  What are your views on the question you raised - ie the likelihood of co-investment between DC  and AA?

51 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

I think he is a busy man.. a heavy programme of building and regeneration projects  ongoing.  He may not have time to be involved in the running of DCFC so may need a partner to help him do that. How that partnership plays out is possibly still to be decided. Not the same as saying he doesn't want to own it. 

I don’t agree. The points you raise argue for 100% ownership, a very strong CEO and a good organisational structure. Consortia and partnerships are frequently a nightmare 

43 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

So he's trying to instigate a BAFO from Ashley by buying the stadium that Ashley is adamant he wants as part of the deal? And even were this the case, is it a given that with Ashley having tried and failed to lowball Morris on PP, that DC would be happy to accept a £2 to £3 million hit on his newly acquired asset simply to allow a man with 10 times his net worth to get it on the cheap?

And how could he have been more aggressive in getting PB status when exclusivity sat with Kirchner? Seems to me he's been aggressive enough since that exclusivity was rescinded. I think the question you've obviously overlooked is clearly why has Ashley not been more aggressive?

I think you underestimate the munificence of St David. I think he was determined to save us. Once he had bought the stadium, he knew that was in his power because he knew he himself was willing to make a bid for the club that cleared the points deduction hurdle. 
 

He was (is) our underwriter. 
 

If it proved that Ashley was willing to pay more than DC for the club, fine. I think DC would have let him have it and would have negotiated a long term lease. (That constitutes ownership of the stadium for all intents and purposes) 

Don’t think it will happen, but it’s still not impossible that Ashley will swoop 

7 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

So you think that DC is not amenable to working with Andy Appleby?

not what I said. But you raise an interesting point

Some posters say DC will want very quickly to ‘syndicate the equity’ ie to reduce his exposure by finding co-investors to sell down to after he has bought 100%
 

Maybe, but that wouldn’t be my hunch, because he knows we need stability. And as he’s studied the figures he will have seen that with our fan base L1 is not likely to be an expensive option - he can afford it.  And he will also know from his property experience that a consortium is often an unwieldy beast
 

There’s another point. Appleby has been flicking through his rolodex trying to put a consortium together (having had one in place in January). He’s not raised enough this time to make a strong bid and there’s talk he doesn’t have enough cash. This suggests that if DC does a deal with him, he might be jumping into bed with a hodge podge of moderately wealthy Americans who could be very high maintenance investors. Not a recipe for strong governance or a quiet life. 
 

So I’d think that if DC does buy the club, he will probably in time sell all and not just part of his shareholding; and I’d think it’ll most likely happen after we have been promoted. 
 

What’s your take? The above is about 60% guesswork btw and may be very wide of the mark. Nothing wrong with speculating on a forum 

2 minutes ago, Hanny said:

Kevin. Sometimes I greatly agree with your assessment on situations, and other times I shake my head in wondering how you came to a conclusion. 
 

So, this one is a head scratcher, because I’m not sure if I am just misunderstanding you.  Did I miss a statement? Where in any of the reporting has it been indicated that Clowes ‘doesn’t really want the club’? 
 

I hope you aren’t referring to the comment that he is looking for more investing. As that is not indicating that:

A. He doesn’t want the club.
B. Can’t afford the club. 

What it is indicating: 

He wanted to buy the club. And is happy to take on more investment in order to: 

A. Get more funds into the club.

B. Reduce risk on a high risk asset. 

Read the Clowes statement of last week. It’s indicated he bought the club not out of a desire it own it, but a desire to ensure it does not go into liquidation

“With a deadline looming and the start of next season getting closer, we had to do something” 

There were other, similar comments

Of course that may have been intended to put us off the scent, he may have been planning this for ages. But if so, wouldn’t he have been more aggressive in getting PB status?  Seems to me that what we actually saw was a hiatus which invited Big Mike and Little Andy to make their bafo 

3 hours ago, I know nuffin said:

New statment from admin. DVI PB and offrr means no points deduction 

Indicates how much we owe DC. Before he was appointed PB either Ashley or AA could have made a higher offer and neither did. DC has indicated he doesn’t really want the club but he’s still willing to offer enough to avoid another points deduction. 

respect 

47 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Owners and directors test .

EFL are checking 

Sure he needs to pass the test. But if DC ownership was a certainty subject only to the test, wouldn’t the releases have said that? 

38 minutes ago, Phuket Ram said:

Jeez it’s astonishing how some people can grasp the point that’s being made re investors!

1. Clowse buys the ground and the club with his own cash - this saves the club, gets us out of administration and allows us to start trading, signing players, offering contracts etc.

2. AFTER he’s the new owner, he THEN need more investors to buy some of his shares off him, reduce his financial exposure, and share the losses. This can obviously take weeks, months or longer. But he’s prepared to stand the losses on his own for a period of time. We don’t know how long that period is, but I doubt it would be more than a year. Because although he’s a fan, he’s not stupid.

 

You’re saying he’s planning to sell down some of the club shares, after he completes the purchase of 100% of the club ?

Seems like a possibility. But if that’s the one and only plan, why didn’t he buy the club and the ground at the same time, so that we could get on with signing some players? 
 

(Sorry if any misunderstanding) 

33 minutes ago, atherstoneram said:

Not so certain the takeover will be confirmed in days if Clowes is still searching for backers.

Well we need a deadline and didn’t q say he had until Wednesday ? 

53 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

So he could send you over the top to face the German machine guns whilst he drank 15 pints and puked in the officers' mess fire you mean. Anyway, I've noticed in recent days that you've developed a penchant for posting in rhyme. Despite your obvious expert grasp of a veritable myriad of subjects, I hadn't expected poetry to be amongst them. Can I therefore just say that this newly-revealed talent, your 'Mike Ashley in a fight' rhetoric and your devotion to all things EFL has inspired me to try my hand. Squeezing all these elements into a humble limerick proved challenging for a novice, but unsurprisingly I found iambic pentameter beyond me. 

Hope you like it!

86 x

Our Kev

 

There once was man who did prattle,
Always posting pro-EFL tattle,
Gave more credence to them,
Than his fellow Derby men,
Not a man you’d trust in a battle.

Sorry missed this from the second marker. Please note the last 2 lines in particular :

The anapest metric must show the following pattern: 

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(you can leave off the syllables in parentheses.)

But 1, 2 and 5 should match each other, and 3 and 4 should match.

14 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

 

There once was man who did prattle,
Always posting pro-EFL tattle,
Gave more credence to them,
Than his fellow Derby men,
Not a man you’d trust in a battle.

C-

Marker’s comments: 

The rhyming is impeccable and content apposite. You wisely avoid those two easily confused words, infer and imply. BUT (sadly it’s a very big but) - 2 out of 5 lines don’t scan !!! 
 

(I-Ram has the same problem. What it is with you guys ? No sense of  rhythm -  are you by any chance a $hit dancer too ? )
 

Oh and you need to learn to proofread 

Do you want some coaching via PM? 

17 hours ago, Big Bad Bob said:

I think his heart was in the job for a time and the emotion that went with it. But deep down in his heart lies Everton / utd and we aren't able to compete with that. The dcfc managers job was a means to an end. I've no idea where Rooney will end up. Part of me secretly hopes the new owner will be installed and they will have a deep and meaningful conversation and shared ambition and will agree to stay. 

Think there are two different things: 

- Rooney’s commitment to the job and to his squad both of which were excellent and inspired the players to give 100% week in week out

- his loyalty to the club which for me was never proven 

7 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

If Clowes is still searching for financial backers, then it sounds to me that he isn’t quite there yet with his bid. 

I don’t think he’s scrabbling around for cash at all - he’s tabled a bid and I don’t think he’d do that without knowing exactly how he’ll fund it

I think the pause is to allow AA and MA one last tilt 

1 hour ago, atherstoneram said:

Imagine until a takeover is completed we can't sign anyone. Wasn't getting finance in place purely to show that we could complete the season. Who would sign them anyway, the administrators won't and Rosenior is only taking interim charge for training etc. 

Yes this hiatus between DC buying the stadium and possibly buying the club costs us a few more valuable days. 
 

But the loan is in place and there is certainty that there WILL be a takeover confirmed within days. So hopefully someone (!) is now able to move forward with plans for the squad even if players can’t yet be signed 

21 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

No one specific, just general speculation on the forum and elsewear that he's far more doing things out of a feeling of duty than he really wants to be Derby's owner.

If that's really the case and Ashley really wants the club he'd have to deal with Clowes who now owns PP so it's natural that they'd talk and it's possible they'll be understnading about how things move forward.

It's just something I saw in twttier and 100% not ITK.

 

I think the Clowes statement makes it pretty clear he was motivated by fear of liquidation not a desire to be owner 

His dad showed the same spirit some years ago   

58 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Someone of twitter claims Ashley is talking to Clowes.

Makes some sense if Clowes is as reluctant as has been sggested.

 

Ashley went to DC’s office ? That doesn’t exactly have a ring of truth about it. If we were told our hero (DC) had been picked up in a chopper and whisked off to a secret rendezvous vous , that might be more convincing 

But perhapsAshley has taken up cycling ?