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Yup, I think we are well past 'Beggars can't be choosers' at this point ?

I know what you mean. My lad goes to High School up here on the edge of Gtr Manchester and is surrounded by Man United and City fans debating the merits of signing Ronaldo. We've obviously talked about where things are up to right now with DCFC and he still went out in his Derby zip-up top yesterday and since he's been with me to both home and away games in the last few years and he's had a great time but this season for the first time it's just getting subtly more difficult to engage him about DCFC. In truth it started during the pandemic height when we only had TV to rely on and not a packed noisy stadium but in recent times a steady procession of better players (and his favourites) leaving and then this seasons debacle and he now invariably has other plans on match days.
Now we've fallen so far already and obviously he's of High School Age surrounded by his peers up here and I know this is the joy of being a Derby supporting family on the edge of Manchester, but Is he going to want to go to watch a scratch team play on a Derby park or at Notts County ? I doubt it ?.
Thing is for me too, I'm just not convinced that it would feel like the team I grew up supporting. I desperately want our club to survive in its current form or I fear that it will feel like a lot of the magic has gone. This club has been a big part of my life since I was dragged to my first game as a young lad. How did it come to this... ?

It's the loss of the history associated with Derby County that would do it for me. Even hating 99.99% of football there's still that bond to Derby that pulls at you. Even if you haven't watched any match in a year, you still look up to see how Derby are. 
"It's in your DNA"
It actually is. 
You can't name exactly what it is but an important part is how it runs through families and ties generations together. How the past inspires the future. 
You feel part of something that began almost 140 years ago and feel emotions for events and people that lived and played before you were born etc. 
Being born again..  I think for some it would feel kind of hollow. Like, it is Derby County, but it isn't. 
Anybody who's tired of football will lose their interest entirely I think if Derby County as we know it die

Yup, I think we are well past 'Beggars can't be choosers' at this point ?

Yup, I think we are well past 'Beggars can't be choosers' at this point ?

I don't think they'll ask his opinion, will they? 
They'll literally do everything they need to do to keep the club alive. They won't care what league or what the morale. They'll sell Knight, the flat screen tv's, office chairs and pay next to nothing (or nothing) to unsecured creditors to make sure secure creditors get paid? They just do whatever it takes. 
Be nice if a buyer comes to the rescue but I imagine they'll wait and buy the club when we don't have a pot left to piss in
Unless somebody wants to part with tens of millions to buy a club that doesn't own its ground or training facilities, has -12 more points and no senior players of any value. Fingers crossed that somebody is that mad. 

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

The thing is with all these comments about Roos' performance (and keepers in general down the years) it's a team game and nowhere is that more obvious and important than that partnership between keeper and central defence. You get an understanding as you learn what the others are going to do in certain situations and what their strengths are.
From a keeper perspective, if you find that you don't trust your central defence as they sometimes lose a man or regularly get outjumped then you find yourself coming for crosses that perhaps you wouldn't. Likewise, as a central defender, if your keeper gets caught flat footed on his line and doesn't deal with crosses then you find yourself perhaps stretching for a header that you'd ideally leave for the keeper, possibly resulting in failing to clear the lines properly or heading vertically and chaos ensues. The opposition also notice and then just keep swinging it into the same zone of uncertainty.
Confidence breeds confidence in the partnership between central defence and keeper and while we'd ideally have slightly younger versions of Jags and Davies, their decision making is honed by years of experience and the keeper really benefits from this because some of the more risky decision making is made for you.
Really pleased for Roos and the defence last night. That was a massive test and they showed huge determination and resilience. Sure, West Brom probably should still have won but you give yourself a shot of getting something from the game if you make the opposition score their goals rather than gifting them freebies.

Honestly can't see us getting anything out of this. Go toe-to-toe with attacking football and they are just man for man better than us and could take us to the cleaners. Go defensive and we won't score and I give us zero chance of holding out for 90 mins.
The points chucked away in our more do-able start are looking costly at the moment. Just can't see us winning too many games so we really need to manage the games where we get our noses out in front better. As for this game, well losing away at West Brom will not define our season so I don't think we need to dwell on any potential defeat here, but results like the capitulation from 3 points to zero in injury time at Peterborough might well be our undoing. Also, in a situation where we are stumbling along at a point a game, any points deduction above a pure token gesture looks terminal.
I won't be finger pointing if this one goes the way I expect, it's a properly tough fixture and arguably the toughest of the season so anything we get from this is a bonus. Two more toughies after this one but then the home games against Reading and Swansea already look massive for our season.

It means the companies can continue to operate without the risk of being struck off (i.e. ceasing to exist) in about six weeks time.

Forgive my total ignorance on the subject , but in layman's terms what do these announcements re Academy and Sevco actually mean ?

Obviously just my opinion and not based on any info but I would have thought that since the word in ITK circles seems to have have been that DCFC had in theory been working with the EFL to thrash out some sort of compromise deal then if that had been sorted then it should largely just be a rubber stamping exercise and we'd know by now. The fact that we have the same charges still showing on the EFL list and now a new one tends to suggest to me that we did not find that compromise position. That being the case I would expect shortly that we will see an announcement of some sanction from the EFL and we might then enter further purgatory of appeal and counter appeal and nothing will be resolved any time soon unless MM were to go for the nuclear option which is surely not particularly appealing to him but we don't know how much longer he can keep going like this.
If we are crippled by a points sanction that is designed to send us down then being out of the Championship and no longer within one good season of a spot in the EPL would make the club even less attractive option than its current already debt-ridden state. Likewise though, further delay, wrangling and uncertainty over appeals surely kills any potential takeover deal too because you don't know what you are buying.
In summary then, if we don't have a deal sorted with the EFL (which seems increasingly likely) then I think we could be in for a world of pain. Any potential buyer is surely going to be thinking that they would be better off picking up the pieces after administration as the debt levels are just huge. Even if MM did the old 'sell it for a quid' routine, what do you get for your money ? A huge stack of debt and no stadium. Unless MM were to voluntarily take a massive financial hit in the sale, who would want to buy ? Even if you were offered a good deal on stadium rental, you are are then lacking any real tangible asset for your money apart from the academy facility which is surely not going to be much of a carrot.

Obviously just my opinion and not based on any info but I would have thought that since the word in ITK circles seems to have have been that DCFC had in theory been working with the EFL to thrash out some sort of compromise deal then if that had been sorted then it should largely just be a rubber stamping exercise and we'd know by now. The fact that we have the same charges still showing on the EFL list and now a new one tends to suggest to me that we did not find that compromise position. That being the case I would expect shortly that we will see an announcement of some sanction from the EFL and we might then enter further purgatory of appeal and counter appeal and nothing will be resolved any time soon unless MM were to go for the nuclear option which is surely not particularly appealing to him but we don't know how much longer he can keep going like this.
If we are crippled by a points sanction that is designed to send us down then being out of the Championship and no longer within one good season of a spot in the EPL would make the club even less attractive option than its current already debt-ridden state. Likewise though, further delay, wrangling and uncertainty over appeals surely kills any potential takeover deal too because you don't know what you are buying.
In summary then, if we don't have a deal sorted with the EFL (which seems increasingly likely) then I think we could be in for a world of pain. Any potential buyer is surely going to be thinking that they would be better off picking up the pieces after administration as the debt levels are just huge. Even if MM did the old 'sell it for a quid' routine, what do you get for your money ? A huge stack of debt and no stadium. Unless MM were to voluntarily take a massive financial hit in the sale, who would want to buy ? Even if you were offered a good deal on stadium rental, you are are then lacking any real tangible asset for your money apart from the academy facility which is surely not going to be much of a carrot.

Obviously just my opinion and not based on any info but I would have thought that since the word in ITK circles seems to have have been that DCFC had in theory been working with the EFL to thrash out some sort of compromise deal then if that had been sorted then it should largely just be a rubber stamping exercise and we'd know by now. The fact that we have the same charges still showing on the EFL list and now a new one tends to suggest to me that we did not find that compromise position. That being the case I would expect shortly that we will see an announcement of some sanction from the EFL and we might then enter further purgatory of appeal and counter appeal and nothing will be resolved any time soon unless MM were to go for the nuclear option which is surely not particularly appealing to him but we don't know how much longer he can keep going like this.
If we are crippled by a points sanction that is designed to send us down then being out of the Championship and no longer within one good season of a spot in the EPL would make the club even less attractive option than its current already debt-ridden state. Likewise though, further delay, wrangling and uncertainty over appeals surely kills any potential takeover deal too because you don't know what you are buying.
In summary then, if we don't have a deal sorted with the EFL (which seems increasingly likely) then I think we could be in for a world of pain. Any potential buyer is surely going to be thinking that they would be better off picking up the pieces after administration as the debt levels are just huge. Even if MM did the old 'sell it for a quid' routine, what do you get for your money ? A huge stack of debt and no stadium. Unless MM were to voluntarily take a massive financial hit in the sale, who would want to buy ? Even if you were offered a good deal on stadium rental, you are are then lacking any real tangible asset for your money apart from the academy facility which is surely not going to be much of a carrot.