Phoenix

George Thorne?

Reminds me of the most unpopular man at Borussia Monchengladbach, the one who shouts 'give me a B'

Give me a T

Nice try @angieram  I fear it wasn’t very successful 🤣🤣

I've got a really "out there" idea.
How about we use the matchday thread to discuss the match and take the other tedious debates over to other threads? 
Don't suppose it will ever catch on! 

I'd say, someone borrowed/stole Wisdoms's SatNav.

NORTH
1 Rugby Borough v Sheffield United
2 Newcastle United v Stoke City
3 Coundon Court v Burnley
4 Chester-Le-Street Town v Derby County
5 Sunderland v Durham Cestria
6 Milton Keynes Dons v Birmingham City
7 Darwen v Blackburn Rovers
8 Nottingham Forest v Boldmere St Michaels
9 West Bromwich Albion v Durham
10 Hull City v Wolverhampton Wanderers
SOUTH 

1 Crystal Palace v Chatham Town
2 Southampton Women's or Maidenhead United v Watford
3 London City Lionesses v Billericay Town
4 Cheltenham Town v Reading
5 Luton Town v Bristol Rovers or Keynsham Town
6 Portsmouth v Southampton FC Women
7 Plymouth Argyle v Oxford United
8 Ipswich Town v Lewes
9 Moneyfields v Millwall Lionesses
10 AFC Bournemouth v Charlton Athletic 

I'd say, someone borrowed/stole Wisdoms's SatNav.

A glance at Flashscore for yesterday indicates that Derby Ladies beat Loughborough Ladies 4-1 in the Womens FA Cup.
 
Go go, girls!

A glance at Flashscore for yesterday indicates that Derby Ladies beat Loughborough Ladies 4-1 in the Womens FA Cup.
 
Go go, girls!

So emotional today, hearing the applause ring out for Daniel. I was very heartened to read that both RamsTV and Radio Derby mentioned him in their commentaries. 
Thanks, @Owen87ITK.
If anyone has either snippet, those of us at the match would love to hear them. 
The moon rose over East Stand this evening in his memory.
B4 will live long in our memories. Go well, young man. 🐏⚽️🖤🤍

0-1 Bradley og 

I think you wholly misunderstand David Clowes' position in this. Of course, like all of us he wants promotion, but when he appointed Warne he clearly said that it was a part of a rebuild of the whole club and instant promotion was not an unequivocal condition of the appointment. But he was clear that the academy was vital in the rebuild and he has backed that up with the quality of staff brought in to run it at no small cost. What is being questioned here is Warne's commitment or ability to integrate the academy with the first team; 12 months down the line I think we are the only PL2 club whose first team does not reflect the style of play used in the academy. The owner is a proven businessman and a fan. I would be amazed if he does not share some of the concerns being expressed on here about how the first team can be best served by the academy. I'm sure he will be asking the question as to whether the problem can be rectified with the current management in place or not. Okay, Warne was his choice but if he comes to the conclusion it was the wrong choice I don't think he will be able to afford to let it continue. At some time he will have to decide whether or not to continue the project in its current form or to make a change. I went to Mansfield to see the Youth Cup tie and I was delighted to see the owner with the first-team coaches together watching an academy side because I had not seen that before. I wonder if it had anything to do with their discussions during the Sunday morning meeting after the Stevenage defeat?

Not picking you out particularly with this, it's more of a general comment, but the bold bits get to the root of why I'm so opposed to Warne.
The way I see it, we have everything off-field ready for the Premier League - the fanbase size, the stadium, the training ground etc are all good enough.  Obviously we have no divine right to be in any league, but in theory there's no reason why we shouldn't be in the same group of clubs as the likes of Leicester/Burnley/Fulham/Brighton/Norwich etc who have spent at least as much time in the Prem as they have out of it in recent seasons.  I'm not saying we can win it like Leicester or be top 6 like Brighton or anything, but we absolutely have the potential to get there and stay there, but the onus is on us as a club to make it happen.
Obviously, one way that happens is that a new owner comes along and throws a lot of money at the club.  But there's no guarantee this happens, there's no guarantee it works if it does, and we all know what the potential fallout can be if it goes wrong.  It's certainly not an option we should be relying on.  Another way is just genuine luck, alignment of stars type stuff - you get the right manager at the right time, a bunch of signings all work out and you hit the jackpot.  We came close with Burley+Rasiak+Idiakez... and McClaren+Martin+Bryson... but ultimately fell short.  Again, that's not something you can rely on - you need a lot of things to all hit at once, and even then it might not work.  And it gets harder and harder as the championship gets dominated by clubs with parachute payments.
So IMO we should be doing the one thing that we have some degree of control over, and that's doing our level best to get the most we can out of the academy.  But that means fully committing to it.  When academy players are hitting 17/18/19/20 (it will be different for each players), they need to start being introduced to senior football.  If they aren't they won't progress.  If we take the approach that we can't play youth players now, we need to get promoted first, then you're basically writing off the current generation of academy players.  They won't get the first team exposure they need and won't kick on. 
So if we do get promoted what happens?  We can't afford to play academy players, we need to get stabilised in this league first.  And then?  We can't afford to play academy players, we need to kick on for the top 6 now.  And then?  We can't afford to play academy players, we need to get promoted to the prem first.  If your attitude is "we can't afford to play them now", then you won't be able to play them when they're good enough later, because they won't get good enough.
You can't just have an academy sat on the sidelines and hope it produces players now and then.  If you want to be like Southampton and have a steady stream of them, you have to gear the whole club up to make it happen.  You play similar styles of football across all age groups, you gear your transfer policy to not block promising players, you commit to giving youngsters first team chances when they're ready and if they take it you let them run with it.  And from what I can see, we can't do any of that with Warne in charge.  So we're just stuck hoping a youngster pops up, fully formed, once in a blue moon.  And that's one of the big advantages we could have over similar sized clubs that we are just choosing to throw away.
I have no idea if Weston is good enough, I've never seen him play.  But by all accounts he did well when he came on, and scored a good goal.  If you give him say 20 minutes against Barnsley and he scores again, then okay, maybe we've got something here.  If he then starts against Crewe and scores, then we've got a potential first team striker for nothing.  And if he doesn't do any of that then fine, he goes back to the U21s and maybe gets another shot in a month or 2.  But right now, we've just got a guy that scored a goal once and then never played again, which is no use to anyone.
Sorry everyone for the long post, but I genuinely think appointing Warne was a catastrophic mistake for a lot of reasons.  The ridiculous short-termism of "he was brought in to achieve promotion quickly" sums it up - it's like there's no thought as to what happens when we do get promoted.  And when I see fans almost actively celebrating it ("I don't care about academy players, we won 3-0" type stuff) I just find it a bit sad really.  I want the club to be in the premier league, I want the club to play good football, and I want to see academy players getting into the first team and doing well, and I want the club to be actively trying to make all that stuff happen, not just flailing around doing stuff at random and hoping that one day it might work.
(and breathe...)

I've seen enough players injure themselves during goal celebrations, so I don't think toning them down is necessarily a bad thing.

BTW I'm sorry for your loss chaps. I had only just seen the posts about B4 on your main thread. 
Wish my best to you all and his family. 

This. The job is too big for him.

I spent yesterday afternoon & evening rehearsing and playing in a very stirring performance of Mozart's Requiem.
This morning, I'm thinking 'How appropriate'.
A sad loss, and so young.
RIP

It's so easy to just blame everything on Warne. And lazy. He picked a side that should be beating Crewe comfortably, but the players didn't bring enough quality or effort, the grown adult footballers we employ should have enough professionalism to be able to perform better than that, even if the tactics are suboptimal. Warne isn't faultless, but why do we let the players off the hook? 

Pretty shocking really, given the side we put out, and the start we had, but shouldn't we be putting 2 up front against lower league teams?
Playing devils advocate, is it telling that Warne only signed two of the players that started tonight?
Notably he didn't sign any of our centre mids or forwards. I know he brought a number of players in this summer but was he hamstrung filling gaps and taking gambles rather than being able to stamp his style on the team.
It's glaringly apparent now that he inherited a team so far away from his preferred design, with no real means to change it, and as such he was the admitedly the wrong appointment. We don't have the means to shuffle the pack sufficiently in January so any chance of top 6 will be a matter of other sides failings and a bit of luck.
Could another manager be achieving a lot more with these players? Likely so. Could someone come in now and give us a greater shot at promotion and maybe keeping a couple of the players we want to? The switch has flipped in me and I'm now starting to think so.
With an inevitable stampede leaving in summer, we either seriously get our sh*t together now, identify and bring in exactly the players he needs to play Warneball - the midfield workhorses, some towering defenders, the right sort of centre forwards etc. If we aren't planning for that then there is no point keeping with him at all because thats all he can play effectively.
 
 

So, you don’t think they needed to run more and make fewer individual mistakes ? Change the manager again ? It’s not the players having a bad day ? It’s all down to bad coaching ? It has nothing to do with an opponent who made fewer mistakes, were more hungry for the ball and worked their bollox off ? 
 
Let’s take Cashin - probably tops of our lot for desire and effort but they worked him over, pure and simple.  No coaching, “dimensions” or tactics are going to change that. We didn’t exhibit enough team play or effort and we misplaced too many passes. We got beaten by a side that were better than us on the night. Virtually the same team that bossed Barnsley and came out on top. … I’d be asking the players to question themselves rather than reverting to a sack the boss knee jerk reaction.

Water?
That's Budweiser.
Oh, sorry. Same thing.

Pretty sure you'll find its spelled "Chris Bird" 😉

Oh my goodness, what a response!
Hello everyone, I’m Claire, Daniel’s (B4) sister. I am overwhelmed by your kind words, support, and the memories you have shared.  Thank you so much for the kindness and love you have all shown to Daniel over the years. My parents are working their way through all of the posts and will offer their own thanks in due course.
I wish I knew about the scraves, flanges and ballions before now. I wouldn’t have let Daniel live that down at home. This made my husband and I laugh this morning.
I will be wearing Daniel’s shirt and keeping his seat warm at the Bristol match. Really looking forward to hearing a big cheer and round of applause in the 38th minute, a goal at the time would be perfect!  Do please continue to share the picture with details of the applause. Let’s raise the roof for Daniel!!!
Thank you all again ❤️
#BeMoreB4 

I spent yesterday afternoon & evening rehearsing and playing in a very stirring performance of Mozart's Requiem.
This morning, I'm thinking 'How appropriate'.
A sad loss, and so young.
RIP