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Colleen saved him. From an early age is was a proper scallywag and could quite easily have ended up with a life on the wrong side of the law, but she was there to steady him.
Even through his many indiscretions as a footballer she didn’t desert him. Without her forgiveness and guidance he could well have gone the way of Best and Gazza.

I’m not going to go into full detail about it, but I 100% recommend that anyone watches this, regardless if you’re a fan of the chap or not.
A pure, raw and honest insight of what OUR MANAGER has gone through in his life.
Has made me love him even more.
A genuinely class bloke who’s worked through his struggles and become a brilliant man.
Proud to have him at the helm, and I hope that we can keep him for as long as possible!
 

One of the things that gets me when trawling around other fan forums is this sense that somehow if we stay up this season we would have avoided punishment!
I know we are dealing with some knuckle draggers that only want to see us finished, but it is a very strange view..they seem to ignore Administration, a 21 point penalty, a threadbare squad and endless embargo conditions.

That tells you a lot though doesn’t it,  that we don’t know the details of his claim?
The truth here is not difficult to discern. Gibson and Morris detest each other. The reasons are lost in the mists of time and who cares? 
 
But we, Derby, are now in the position where - but for these claims - our club would have been sold in January. 
 
You say that Gibson has no desire to see Derby fold. You’re missing the point. The point is, his vendetta against Morris has pushed our sale back, he has trashed Rooney’s transfer window and he has put us at serious risk of liquidation. Our club is collateral damage in his nasty, squalid scrap and that is not acceptable to us. And I believe Gibbo also calculates that if he damages us, MM will be forced to pay for the repair, and he likes that. We see what has gone on and it is not acceptable to us.   
 
All is revealed in Gibson’s open letters - cleverly drafted by his PR and legal team. They are disingenuous, misleading and largely irrelevant to whatever the claim might be. And with each letter, the goalposts move, now it’s FFp, now it’s the stadium. (Don’t worry, we know Morris’ letter is not much better.) There is nothing confidential in his claim, so why has it not been articulated in the public arena? We know the answer. 
 
Even Couhig (whose behaviour is possibly even more revolting than Gibson’s) has had the sense to realise that to threaten a claim in these circumstances and without fully articulating it is beyond the pale. 
 
The outcome here will most likely be that MM will put in place arrangements to indemnify the club, that those arrangements will remain in place for several years at significant cost to Morris and that the claims will never be brought. (Mission accomplished for Gibbo, the worst kind of playground bully.)  And that Couhig will slither away to begin another attempt to exploit some legal system or other. 
 
Our owner has done a few shameful things in recent years. Nothing on the scale of what yours is currently up to 
 
 

We all share your frustrations B4, and we all wish that there was a simple answer to all the problems that face Derby County at the moment. I think in the past that you have said that the EFL are weak and you are absolutely correct. The problem lies with the EFL. They came after Derby County when they thought that the club had broken EFL rules, but they are reluctant to go after Middlesbrough who have also broken EFL rules in suing a fellow club and trying to destroy them in the process. 
All I can say is that we all stand together in this. Love to you and your family. X

I emailed Rick about just this question over two weeks ago and haven't had a response. I send a reminder the other day and copied Margret Beckett in.

I had a skim through the EFL Regs today (what else there to do on a Saturday afternoon without football?).  I came across Reg 3.5.


Surely both clubs accusing us of systemic cheating breaches this?  In fact, didn’t Couhig in one of his tweets say every Derby fan was part of this cheating??
And yes, I do need to get out more ?.

The information from all is a little misleading. I like what Mel said but we are in the brown stuff because of him. 

i would like somebody to explore the relationship between the EFL and Middlesbrough, by that I mean a proper investigation and potentially a criminal one if they have colluded. If the EFL do something with the intention of gaining money for Middlesbrough that should not have been paid then that is fraud (and yes I do know my criminal law). The reason I say that is what appears to be the EFL’s insistence on Derby effectively paying 0ff Middlesbrough and Wycombe before they can come out of administration. When at a tribunal they would have not have had to. Interesting fact here in a criminal court Gibson would have no chance with his claim. 
 
it’s interesting that Mel said the timetable for arbitration was May 2022 and that Middlesbrough had trimmed part of an EFL clause to suit their means. If so why have the EFL not dealt with that. It’s also interesting that the EFL made a decision on the football debt issue without knowing the facts (their words). I think if proven it is a football debt until then it’s not a debt at all.
 
The stance, late statements and the closeness of theirs and the Middlesbrough statements worries me unless they see them say 48 hours in advance. They also both seem to have a similar tone which is worrying unless there is something that we really don’t know and is earth shattering.
im not convinced that the administrators have handled this very well and I think Gibson et al should be in the hands of a lawyer, perhaps we can crowd fund for one? If I was DCFC and Mel I would consider taking the EFL and potentially Middlesbrough to court if what they have said is untrue.
The administration of FFP has always worried me, it dosnt seem to have any firm rules and is administrated on the whim of the EFL without taking into account any precedents that have been set with previous penalties. The Reading, Derby and Birmingham ones are very different. Now we have the likelihood of clubs being allowed to include potential transfers into Covid losses, isn’t this worse than the amortisation that Derby were punished for?  How can you value a future transfer, or it’s loss? Isn’t the loss down to a clubs operating model that they spend on the basis of potentially getting a windfall from selling a player? If they don’t in a covid season or not they breach FFP?
I agree with Mel about parachute payments, they should be to cover large wages on relegation not enable clubs to have a £20m head start in buying players that we not otherwise have signed.
we need anew regulator and fast and it needs to be independent for everyone’s sake.

The problem with this suggestion is that Gibson and Couhig have sought to enjoinder Morris in the dispute with DCFC, explicitly calling for him to meet with them in mediation. He's either a part of their claim, or he isn't. They opted for the latter and can't claim the former now without appearing compromised. 
Ultimately, it will reveal their true purpose and could well prove their bad faith in the dispute. There's no easy way for them to avoid public ridicule and opprobrium if they refuse his offer. 

Not a chance because they know they won't win. It will further highlight how vexacious these claims are though. I wish Mel had done this a month ago. 

So, the earliest Boro wanted an arbitration meeting, despite being confident they were owed vast sums of money, was late May 2022. 
Why do you think that was? 
Because MM was trying to sell us and they knew nobody serious would with that hanging over proceedings.
Boro, in my opinion, have been wanting us completely ruined from the start. 
Gibson is a Bamford. 

Think the EFL are done here no matter what happens.
If boro and Wycombe reject Mel’s offer then it’s clear what their intentions are… and the EFL are supporting those intentions.
If Mel’s offer is accepted then Boro and Wycombe are laughed out of court. Again egg on the face of the EFL.

If borough or EFL refuse this, they’ll have all the MPs and businesses on their backs.

MEL FOUND: 
 

From 24th January
The EFL said on Monday: "Following positive developments over the course of the weekend, a proposed meeting involving the EFL and political stakeholders to discuss the ongoing challenges at Derby County set for later today has been postponed to allow for additional progress to be made by the administrators.
"It is now expected that the league and the administrators will sit down in the next 24 hours as we seek to resolve the outstanding issues to the satisfaction of all parties."
1 week later the transfer deadline happens, more DCFC playing staff leave
2 days after the transfer deadline comes this latest statement containing their belief that MFC & WWFC claims WILL be football debt, which they previously wouldn't rule on.
Suspicious ??

This saga is so infuriating, absolute shambles. A football debt is like any other debt surely? Non payment of an amount owed for services provided, whether that be £3.50 for a pint, £200k for a house or £8m outstanding for Beilik. You enter into a contract whether written or verbal for goods or services provided I.e. a legitimate debt if not paid. The amount owed is clearly defined. If one party is claiming they might have made X if Y had / had not happened then it’s a claim for “projected loss of damages” no? So, how the hell does a claim for damages or compensation become defined as a debt?
 
Surely it has to be agreed by both parties that services or goods have been provided without payment? And the value had to have been agreed upon. A debt is transactional. No transaction has taken place. A claim. For loss of earnings has been made essentially. But not a cut and dry loss of earnings in the sense of “I’m going to make £2k this week but I didn’t because I was in a car accident  that was someone else's fault and if they hadn’t hit me I was guaranteed to make £2k”But, in the sense of, “if I wasn’t in a car accident, I might have made £2k, or I might have made £4m or I might have not made anything.” 
 
This whole thing is an absolute farce. The governing body that sets the rules by which we operate has set the penalty as minus 9 points plus 12 for entering administration. So by the logic of allowing the claims by Middlesborough and Wycombe they’re essentially saying, anyone affected by our actions can make a claim for compensation against us regardless of that fact that they as the governing body, have already decided on the offence and set the punishment.
Meanwhile, instead of standing up and leading and helping to find a pragmatic solution or trying to mediate, they pass the buck back to all the parties in disagreement and say “you sort it out”
Absolute flipping nonsense 

I’ve emailed…..
investigation into the EFL and it’s dealings with regard to DCFC :
1. Efl approve the stadium sale then subsequently charge DCFC
2. Efl approve amortisation method, sign off two years accounts then subsequently charge DCFC in response to MFC threats to sue EFL.
3. MFC drop their threat to sue the EFL
4. EFL lose case against DCFC. Nb accountant on the panel
5. EFL appeal and appoint a new panel with no accountant.
6. EFL win case
7. DCFC have no right of appeal
8. DCFC go into administration.
9. Middlesbrough and Wycombe announce intention to claim against DCFC.
20. Such “claims” prevent DCFC exiting admin.
21. After 4 months of delaying the EFL finally decide the “claims” have to be settled by DCFC. Interesting this eventual decision, comes days after the transfer window has closed and maximum disruption to DCFC.
22. How can an unsubstantiated “claim” by other clubs be deemed as a bona fide creditor, and a football creditor that takes precedence over other creditors even HMRC.
23. EFL rules preclude claims between member clubs.
24. As for the claims, if you look into the detail, you will see they are pure fantasy and clearly just a chance to make money, or more sinister and an attempt to actually put DCFC into liquidation. And apparently aided and abetted by the EFL
Thank you for your time.
Regards

Before I sign off the night and listen to the missus woes from work, just going to say this, don’t be angry at the EFL’s statement tonight, it’s a positive one for us and it clearly states their position which allows us to move forward with a high court judgment.
Whilst we might disagree on the side they fell into, it wasn’t totally unexpected and we’ve been desperate for them to come down off the fence for a while now, this is better than to continue stalling. 
Quantuma have what they need now, the EFL’s position and proof of funds to see us through the next couple of months, time for court. 

Yes. Actually you make a great point. As this is followed by 'we'd like to invite everyone to mediation' Could imply by that the  EFL don't want us to go to court, but they have clarified things to allow us to. If Q come out and say, 'great, we'll see you in court then' this will move things on tremendously. And they would have every Derby fan right behind them. 

If they don't budge and we go under I will never, ever forgive Middlesbrough or Wycombe until my dying days.
Imagine destroying a fellow club like this.

Feeling rather overwhelmed today as I am sure we all are..
Yesterday wasn't about the last minute equaliser, as much as it should have been, it was about the City coming together. 
A huge thank you to Ryan (chief organiser) and all the Marshalls that assisted on the day. A big thank you as well to Albatross Taxis who offered everyone 20% off for the march and also supplied me with a minibus for the day to get the flags from Pride Park to the march. Nice to see local businesses come together (they are owed money by the club as well) So many came together to make it a success.
We will never know the true number but when we arrived into town at 0945 I got a huge sense that this was going to be massive, just so many dotted about. As many have said Derby police saying just under 10k, that is nothing short of amazing. The view as I looked back over the railway bridge was something else and the drone that took the video, it was neverending.
Many highlights for me, the mayor lowering his hat to start the bounce and leading the march up the Morledge. Pauline Latham starting the bounce and all the local councillors and MP's marching, together.
When the march arrived at Pride Park the number of photographers was something else, not fans, proper photographers, it was flash flash flash..
I will never forget this for the rest of my life.
Be proud of our city and football club.
 
 

They were scumbags the whole game,
“we’re all having a party, when Derby county die”
that equaliser felt so sweet just to shut them up, horrible, classless bamfords

Sue them for £45 million!

Stood outside the Council house, and rolled the i-cam as the procession headed off... 10mins 41secs... my arm was ready to fall off (holding 'phone up at arms length)... 10mins 41secs... and still they came... still flooding around the corner, from the direction of the Guild Hall clock... I gave up filming at that point.  I simply needed to join in, and savour the moment.
Wouldn't like to put a number on it, but it was an absolutely fantastic turn out.  I dare say better than anyone involved would have expected, or even dreamed.  Tears in the eyes job.  Those scenes up and over our own Wembley Way were simply astonishing, even for a near 60 year old who has been going to games for over 46 years.  Truly awe-inspiring, as we rounded the bend, and that long wide line came into view.  Emotional?  You bet!  Never been prouder as a Ram, as I was at that moment.
How the duck can the authorities allow this club to die.  Surely they can't!  
 
Now, I'm gonna trawl back along this thread, and relive the moment.  Don't be surprised if those tears well up again!
So, so proud of this club, and us fans.
Great day!  
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