Mihangel

8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

Paul Warne will be learning what a needy, entitled bunch some Derby fans are. 

Fortunately, most of us don't have as much time on our hands as Ian J Redfern et al, and will be a bit more, well, chilled.

49 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Two things, what would your question have been, and why didn’t you ask it.

I am comfortable with the information that is publicly available - If I had a question that I felt was important enough to take club staff's time, I would ask it of them. Hope that helps.

18 hours ago, Srg said:

And probably rolling their eyes so hard at these persistent, dumb questions. 

Quite - Banal is not the word, tedious probably closer, I admire their patience sitting through that.

3 hours ago, Leeds Ram said:

yeah. I remember seeing figures a while ago saying you can on average get around 1.4-1.6 people per seat with safe standing. 

That's correct - Assuming the facilities of the ground can cope which I'm sure can be managed.

I'm sure I've got one somewhere you can have, may be in the loft! Remind me!!

68 - 9 I think we've got our noses in front, keep the pressure on boys, we can do this 😁

2 hours ago, Mihangel said:

They'll be 60 ahead by tea🤦‍♂️

I was overly optimistic

1 hour ago, sage said:

The wheels are coming off the Arthur reign.

Ever since they announced the joint Pakistan/Derbyshire job, there has been some resentment.

It was a hardly a massive surprise was it, it's insulting to the club and its supporters that this was even proposed.

They'll be 60 ahead by tea🤦‍♂️

14 hours ago, Ian Buxton's Bat said:

To be fair he came good in the end, but..........

Don't think he's big enough to be a Warne centre half alongside Cashin and don't think he can cross very reliably - so not good enough to be a Warne LWB.

I'd have been happy if he re-signed but think he's more suited to LB or LCB with some big lads around him. Decent defender.

Agreed - Am a little surprised at how keen people are for him to join. In the end he probably had a 7/10 season in L1 which is great but not earth shattering. I think he's a decent, tidy footballer who may end up a championship player one day, maybe very soon!

2 minutes ago, Old Spalding Ram said:

The Sunderland Echo newspaper estimated that Sunderland’s promotion to the Championship in 2021/22 would increase their league 1 tv money from between £800,000/ 1million to around £6 million plus an increase in commercial revenue and larger attendances would make a realistic return of around £8-10 million.

With the increased Sky tv deal from season 24/25 League 1 will see a 25% increase from the tv pot whilst the Championship will see an increase of 45%.

So, from 24/25 it’s either a tv deal worth between £1/1.25 million in League 1 or a deal in the Championship worth around £8.7 million plus increased revenues, therefore the financial implications of not getting promoted this season are going to be huge!

 

…………….I certainly know which league I’d rather be in!

Problem is, (and this is EXACTLY what happens every year around play off final time), loads of noise and talk about how the revenues grow hugely, no talk about the expenses that rise equally or more so. There's little doubt what we all want from this season but it's not a slam dunk financial success if it happens.

49 minutes ago, jimbo jones said:

Restricted Northants to 29-1 in the powerplay, and suddenly 151 doesn't look quite so bad.

I admire your optimism! Seriously though, taxi for Arthur, this isn't a part time gig.

1 hour ago, Sparkle said:

Our academy has probably produced more minutes played in professional football than it has ££££ received - strange but what’s better - probably need both I suppose  

Some of this is down to luck, the odd gem that goes for £30m could come through at, literally, any academy. Just as our academy should have been really coming to frution, the club started going in to meltdown (less due to luck that bit.

Anyway, best of luck to Derren Walsall, he's been a great servant.

3 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

I could be wrong, but this strikes me as part of a planned scale back of the academy as a whole? I'd be surprised if we're category one in 12 months time but happy to be proven wrong. Gaz Waz did well in his time here - even got us to the play-offs once, y'know. 

"While there is absolute commitment from David Clowes and the board to maintain Category One status for the academy"

While there is a lot to do, how refreshing is it that we're sat on May 11th, estabished our retained list, know which division we're going to be in, know the budget and restrictions, when was it last like this?!?

8 hours ago, Loughborough Ram said:

This subject is far too black and white on this forum, there is seemingly no middle ground, you're either a Warne man or you're not and both sides are so entrenched that nothing will fill the void between them.

Not sure, at this point, what anybody gets out of this discussion

I'm normally one to call out discussions that are mind numbingly binary but I'm not sure this is one of them - Generally it seems to me that there is a feeling that Warne has done okay given the circumstances. Some don't warm to the style or the person but with the lack of resources, the incredibly small squad he's done okay. On the other hand there are those that describe the season as a 'failure of epic proportions' those who bafflingly see anything from this season other than promotion is unacceptable.

For what it's worth, I'm an outlier on the positive side - Given the age, size and profile of the squad, playing 57 games - I think it's a fantastic effort. Our oppenents yesterday used 14 more players accross the season. Imagine if we'd been able to use 14 more players....

12 hours ago, IlsonDerby said:

I’ll back him to the hilt next season but I’ve got real doubts.

I'm sure Mr Clowes will be concerned by this.

12 hours ago, IlsonDerby said:

I trust Clowes.

Phew, he'll sleep better now.

19 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

You have told me to trust you. a couple of times this week that we would be going up. What happened? Can I ever trust you again? If so, why? Please explain.

Really? You don't think this post is a bit bullying?

10 minutes ago, MarsdenRam said:

Thought experiment: imagine Warne is pushed or jumps ship over the summer after only a part season. That would leave us with one of the all-time 'what ifs', especially if his replacement struggles.

This demand for immediate results is exactly what got Derby in the s*** in the first place.

We need to hold our nerve and not sound like a load of little girls.

Exactly, EXACTLY - I don't know if it's just a refection on modern life that people are growing up so entitled they are completely unable to deal with adversity but it's quite something to see. Life doesn't always go your way, I suspect that some of the people describing the season as an 'epic failure' or that Clowes would be 'angry' about the season need to watch some self help vidoes.

1 hour ago, alram said:

lovely

 

personal insults

 

i have had a season ticket my entire life and love nothing more than derby county. i am hurting because we shouldnt be in this division and only are because of financial mismanagement from an absolute moron.

 

WHO WHEN was critisised in the past on here people were often INSULTED and TOLD TO PISS OFF when questions were asked of mel.

 

so i ask you out of respect that we are all derby fans and not insult each other for having a differing opinion to you.

Piss off won't you?

I find it very odd how people almost go above and beyond to say a decision against us was so correct and we're just moaners. I happen, because of where I lived most of my adult life, to be a regular on a PL team's board - To a person, every single one of them that have commented has derided that decision.

Just now, BriggRam said:

Oh f*** off, never a foul, never a penalty, and never a sending off

Someone will be along to tell you there was 'contact' in a minute, fools.....

8 hours ago, duncanjwitham said:

And stuff like this is why I don't trust Maguire on anything - spots something somewhere, immediately jumps on Twitter to show off and then ends up having to delete the tweet when it turns out it was nonsense.

Quite - Needs to stick to being a teacher, does zero work to look in the companies house alert he's clicked on turns out he's talking crap. As per.

6 hours ago, vonwright said:

I tend to agree with this. I take Angie's point completely about "where do we draw the line?" but I think my answer would be "somewhere after this guy". At the moment it feels like there is barely a line at all.

I'm sure proper auditing wouldn't come cheap, and both the government and EFL are probably worried that fans (who tend to get excited about any proposed sale, and aren't the best at asking difficult questions) would see them as "the bad guy". But keeping people like this out of football isn't being "the bad guy". It's doing your job as the regulator, and protector, of the game. 

100% - In fact, it's not an expensive process, the onus is on the individual to prove the background of the cash, all you have to do is ask!

3 hours ago, duncanjwitham said:

It's very easy to say "he shouldn't have been allowed to" after the fact, but much harder to put in a set of rules that catches people like Kirchner before.  As has been said already, he's managed to convince Quantuma, the EFL, Preston, Rooney/Stretford and co that he was fine.  He's managed to convince the likes of Goldman Sachs to invest in his company.  So he was clearly capable of passing any of the sort of financial/company-ownership checks that could be done.

I think you're comparing apples and oranges there, Goldman Sachs are looking at the future, they're making an investment or, a bet. They are looking at projections, the product and of course the people and they've made a decision that the risk was worthwhile. And who knows, it may well be. The EFL and Quantama should be looking at the past, very specifically, what is the provenance of this money? It's very basic anti money laundering processes, maybe they don't consider this important??

3 hours ago, duncanjwitham said:

So you're left with the "put £Xm in escrow upfront"-type checks, but that's basically where we got to with Kirchner anyway.  He couldn't produce the money so the deal fell through (and so the process worked, arguably???).  You can demand it earlier in the process, but that's just going to put off the majority of owners.  If you're spending millions on a football club, you almost certainly don't have that cash sitting in a bank account somewhere ready to go.  You will be borrowing some (from a bank or through investors), or liquidating some of your personal assets in some way, and potential owners aren't going to start doing either of those things until the deal is actually going through (which again, is where the Kirchner deal actually fell through.)

Again, I think many are misunderstanding what the problem is - It's not about whether the money exists, it's relatively easy to show I've got x in my bank account, (for a short period at least!), it's about asking where the money came from. That's what the UK bank will have done and that's almost certainly why he couldn't move the money accross. So the financial services process worked, the processes of the football regulators and the club's adminstrators failed miserably.