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Here are a few more things that will be appearing, it’s not just shirts !

9 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said:

Sounds great. Which entrance are we to use, if you know. 

Hi mate it’s the Harrison’s Hub next to the ticket office, used to be the cafe ?

thanks for your support 👍🐏

On 19/05/2023 at 14:49, dilkie said:

A return to this classic would be great. 🐏⚽️

And a few more !

Here are some of the shirts on display amongst many more items of memorabilia 😍

Great news, the club are kindly allowing us to put on an event at Pride Park on the 3rd & 4th of June.

it’s the Rams Heritage Trust, it’s a chance to allow us to put on a display in a secure location over a couple of days, there will be a time line of the history and heritage of our club from 1884 to present day.

it will be open from 10.30 till 3 on Saturday and 11.15 until 3.30 on Sunday due to the Ramathon and road closures.

this will hopefully be a pre cursor to having a more permanent feature at the club.

there is so much for people to see, kits, photos, boots, balls, medals, programmes, scarves, flags, Baseball Ground seats, floodlight fixtures, flags, Alan Hintons white boots, our life size replica of the FA cup and League Championship trophy to have your photo with.

Special guests will be popping in.

come on down, give us the support we need and hopefully come and learn something about our club.

13 hours ago, Keepyuppy said:

I bought two of the original Turnstiles from the old Normanton End, which was originally built and called Catchem’s Corner when it was a Baseball Ground before it became a football ground. My friend had one of them and I’ve still got the other one in my garden - I had mine refurbished 20yrs ago and it stands in my garden and I live it. I think there were only 10 of the original Turnstiles and they are a thing of beauty - I think mine had about 20+ layers of paint on it and when properly stripped it revealed such lovely intricate casting with lots of detailed. Mine has over 800k on the counter which is pretty amazing to think of each and every person that passed through the Turnstile that sits in my garden. Then you times the number on mine by all the other Turnstile’s around the old BBG and that total number added up must be several million - truly remarkable for what was a regional industrial town !! 🐏🤗

get some photos posted when you get a minute, it would be nice to find where they are all spread, there is one at the neptune.

Probably one of the most iconic symbols of a football ground, the turn stile, they all have them and they last for years, mainly until clubs move ground, then they are tossed to one side, so it was a privilege to become the custodian of this original Ellison surge control turnstile dating back to the start of the last century, when you think of the hundreds of thousands of Rams fans that will have passed through it, myself, my dad and my grandad being three it makes you stop and think.

it was there through everything, Bloomer, the FA Cup paraded around the ground, Clough and Taylor, Jim Smith etc, it’s a real snapshot of our clubs history and heritage.

Anyhow, it’s now fully restored in working order with brass keep plate and counter and looks resplendent,

it belongs in an official club museum so I’m going to keep on endeavouring to get one.

we have a massive Rams Heritage display at Pride Park on the 3rd and 4th June so come along.

One of the rarest Derby County shirts, 
I have never seen a player version let alone in long sleeve ! 
It’s the Admiral Centenary away shirt from the 1984/85 season, most probably worn by Rob Hindmarch rip.
It has been kept in fantastic condition by its previous owner.
A real piece of history that captures vividly that snapshot in time of 100 years of the club.
We really need a museum at our club for everybody to share in these shirts and items that we keep finding and the great work being done by @lukeyb07 @P_T4T_R4M @dcfccollection and of course the @RamsHeritage .
There is a great display at Pride park on the 3rd and 4th June to give a taste of what could be expected come and join us.

in about two hours time on this day 18th May in 1994 Martin Taylor left the pitch at top speed whilst being chased by an angry Millwall mob in this very shirt 😂🐏

Without Didsy this season would have been over at Christmas! His 24 goals in 43 games showed he is still a class striker and made him our player of the season, this league suits him.
will he be our talismanic striker next season ? 
Let’s hope so, a player who can score goals no matter what their age is priceless at any level, we need somebody who can play to and off his strengths to compliment him further.
What I love about him is he always plays with a smile and gives it 100%, always coming back to find the ball, a worker !
Nice to have one of his signed worn shirts for the collection !
Oh David McGoldrick

Another big season under his belt and young player of the year with 50 appearances, Cash will hopefully be one of the players that Paul Warne can build his team around.

1986-87 promotion season John Gregory yellow away shirt, an absolute beauty of a shirt in this colour and nice to add another one of the midfield maestro’s shirts from those halcyon back to back  promotion seasons to the collection, nice touch that Osca added the blue brown and amber cuffs and neck, good times ! 
Thanks to @lukeyb07 for sorting this one.

there is a doth of the cap to one of our previous kits ! but dont get to excited !

20 minutes ago, Ellafella said:

Great work as always @loweman2; I'll defo get along

good man, should be good, hardest thing is going to be how to display it best, not allowed to put hooks up etc so got to provide everything which has massively added to the expense for display rails and photo boards etc etc, lots of content, if only we had a proper museum, i think it maybe on its way though !! thats why its important to get this right and also to show that there is a demand for it from the fan base, tie it in with ground tours, get a coffee etc etc, nip to the club shop, make it an integral part of the club, we have a massive and proud history, its not all about winning trophies to show your heritage !

thanks for the support as always mate

7 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

I'll defo be there for one of the days, nice one @loweman2

Thanks for the support, will post more over the next few days 👍

Great news folks, the Rams Heritage Trust will be doing a two day display at Pride Park in the Harrison’s Hub, this will hopefully be a pre cursor to a museum so the more interest that we get the better.

It promises to be a huge display with a lot of rare and interesting items, not just shirts but there will of course be plenty of them.

it’s the Saturday 3rd and Sunday 4th June.

come along and have a look and maybe learn a thing or two.

1 hour ago, Steve How Hard? said:

I mean there was a prototype version before that one was decided on. It was scrapped for the very reason that there was too much red on it. @loweman2 will probably be able to confirm this and provide evidence. Either that or I've imagined the whole thing. 

Derby County reached the semi final of the European Cup

It is still talked about to this day how Derby would exit the competition in 1973. In short, Clough believed that their semi-final against Juventus was rigged, the Rams turfed out of Europe unfairly thanks to unproven skullduggery involving a German referee. Or, as Clough rather more floridly put it in his autobiography: ‘The lousy stench still fills my nostrils when I think of the attempts at corruption. UEFA later carried out some kind of inquiry, but the truth has remained somewhere swept beneath the carpets in the corridors of power.’

Derby started their first ever trip to Europe – unless you count the Texaco Cup, a rather quaint affair involving British Isles sides not in the main European competitions that Derby won in 1972 – with some gusto. They beat Željezničar of Yugoslavia in the first round, and then with the aid of a strategically ‘watered’ pitch in the next phase, they brilliantly swept aside Benfica, Eusebio and all. Czech side Spartak Trnava were beaten next, meaning they would face one of six-time champions Real Madrid, winners in the previous two years Ajax or Juventus in the semi-final, which was rather like being asked if you’d prefer to be punched in the face, stomach or groin.

In the end they received the most favourable (a relative term) draw, and would play against Juventus, Italian champions and boasting the likes of Dino Zoff, Roberto Bettega, German midfielder Helmut Haller and one Fabio Capello. The game carried with it some extra pressure for Derby, given that they were out of both domestic cups and their hopes of retaining the First Division had disappeared after a disappointing start to the season, a rally either side of Christmas then scotched by another poor domestic run that left them ninth in the table when they travelled to Turin for the first leg.

When they arrived in Italy they were greeted by rain, and plenty of it, the northern Italian heavens having been wide open for a couple of days before their arrival. ‘Turin at the moment resembles a comedian’s idea of Manchester,’ wrote David Lacey in the Guardian, but by the time the game arrived the skies had cleared. The opening stages were as one might expect a European tie to be, Juventus on the front foot but Derby jabbing back at them, ‘both sides fencing cleverly for the opening’ wrote Geoffrey Green in the Times, who also beautifully noted that County ‘spoke in sharp syllables in counter-attack.’

Juve took the lead after 29 minutes, the Brazilian Jose Altafini firing left-footed past Derby keeper Colin Boulton, but just two minutes later the Rams were level, Kevin Hector shooting ‘violently’ home to put them on terms at the break. However, the introduction of Haller after half-time seemed to change things, and Juve retook the lead on 65 minutes, the Tom Selleckian moustache of Franco Causio giving his men the advantage, before Atalfini made it 3-1 six minutes from time.

That’s the short version of the story, anyway. Most observers, even Clough himself, seemed to agree that Juventus were the superior side, but events before the game and at half-time made some assume that something more suspicious was afoot.

John Charles, the great former Juventus player, was at the game in an ambassadorial capacity, and around half an hour before kick-off he warned Peter Taylor that he had seen Haller, who scored West Germany’s opener in the 1966 World Cup final, enter the referee’s room. The official in question was Gerhard Schulenburg, as his name suggests also German, so of course this could just have been a couple of Herrs talking about the old country, but inevitably suspicions were raised. Particularly when Haller returned to the officials’ quarters at half-time, prompting Taylor to take action. ‘I hurried after them, trying to overhear and saying ‘I speak German, gentlemen. Do you mind if I listen?’ he wrote in his memoir ‘With Clough, By Taylor’. Of course Taylor spoke no German at all, and in response to his request Haller elbowed Taylor in the ribs, leaving him gasping for air in the corridors of the Stadio Comunale Vittorio Pozzo. ‘Haller…barked something that brought a squad of heavies into action. They shoved me against a wall and kept me there. I didn’t know who they were, except that some were uniformed, and possibly club stewards, and others looked like plain clothes police. I didn’t know what was going on; my only thought was ‘Let me get into that ref’s room because I’ve rumbled them.’

But rumbled them of what? While the consensus was that Juventus were the better team, most observers also noted that Schulenburg adopted a rather laissez faire attitude to the Italians’ rough-housing, but quite the opposite to the Derby players. Archie Gemmill and Roy McFarland were both booked, two players that by coincidence or otherwise, were the only two already on bookings from previous rounds, so were thus suspended from the return leg. Gerald Mortimer wrote in the Derby Telegraph that: ‘Gemmill had his name taken for a trip on [Giuseppe] Furino, retaliation after Furino’s elbow had smashed into his face….McFarland’s booking was totally absurd. He went up to challenge [Antontello] Cuccerddu for a high ball and the two heads clashed. For that, and only that, he was cautioned…it looked like a put-up job.’

‘It is perhaps useless to hurl accusations at the referee,’ wrote Green. ‘But he was very harsh on much of the Derby tackling against Juventus players.’ Lacey commented on the persistent fouling of Furino, saying it ‘continued to the point of monotony’ and that he ‘followed through dangerously against [Colin] Todd, fouled Hector in full flight and went over the ball blatantly against [John] O’Hare, receiving only a wag of a finger from the referee’.

While the men in the press box were firm but circumspect in their observations, Clough was a little more forthright. ‘I couldn’t believe my eyes at some of the things that happened in Turin,’ he wrote in his autobiography. ‘We had two key players booked well before half-time…As far as I can remember their only crime was to stand somewhere adjacent to an opponent who flung himself on the floor. Now wasn’t that a coincidence? McFarland and Gemmill – two players who just happened to have been booked in previous games – would now, automatically, be ruled out of the second leg. It stank to high heaven. I’d heard lurid tales of bribery, corruption, the bending of match officials in Italy, call it what you will, but I’d never before seen what struck me as clear evidence. I went barmy.’

Indeed he did. At the post-match press conference Clough declared loudly that he would ‘not talk to any cheating bar stewards.’ The assembled local press asked Brian Glanville, the English journalist who spoke Italian, what Clough had said, but his attempts at a diplomatic silence were scuppered rather when the manager returned to bark ‘Tell ’em what I said, Brian!’

“Juventus bought the referee,” Clough told his biographer Tony Francis years later. “Of that there is no shadow of doubt. I was cheated, Taylor was nearly arrested and two players were booked for next to nothing. What surprised me is that Juventus were good enough without that. They were the better side, but we could have reached the final if Gemmill and McFarland had played at Derby.”

Clough’s certainty that Derby had been swindled was strengthened when a few days later he ‘got wind’ that the Portuguese referee for the second game had been ‘approached’ too. ‘Francisco Marques Lobo,’ wrote Jonathan Wilson in his Clough biography ‘Nobody Ever Says Thank You‘, ‘revealed he’d been offered $5,000 and a car if Juventus won. Uefa subsequently investigated and exonerated Juventus, ruling that the bribe was the work of the notorious Hungarian fixer Dezso Solti, whom the commission ruled to have been acting independently.’

Beyond that and Clough’s suspicions, there was never any hard evidence that Schulenberg was bribed, never mind by Juventus directly. Glanville investigated the matter at some length later on, and while he did find a letter signed by Solti ‘on behalf’ of Juventus from 1971, two years before the game in question, nothing else to link Solti directly to that game ever came to light.

However, it’s also true that Italo Allodi, the Juve general manager at the time, was involved in assorted attempts to bribe and corrupt referees, including in a European Cup game between Liverpool and Inter, where Allodi worked at the time, in 1965. ‘Liverpool were so badly cheated by the refereeing of a Spaniard, Ortiz de Mendibil, that their half-back Tommy Smith kicked him all the way to the dressing room,’ wrote Glanville in his obituary of Allodi. ‘In 1966, a brave Hungarian referee was spirited up to [Inter president Angelo] Moratti’s villa and offered, in the presence of Allodi and Solti, numerous gifts. After refusing to bend the game against Real Madrid, he never got another European match…Solti, a Hungarian refugee, held no official position with the club, but was responsible for seducing referees – and he answered directly to Allodi.’ “All Allodi knows how to do,” said former Italy manager Fulvio Bernardini, “is give gold watches to referees.” In short, while the evidence is circumstantial, it would surprise few to learn that Allodi had been up to his old tricks.

Derby lost the tie after drawing the second leg 0-0, with Lobo officiating fairly, by common consensus. Alan Hinton missed a penalty, while young forward Roger Davies carelessly got himself sent off, dubbed “disgraceful” by Clough for headbutting Francesco Morini. “There’s no excuse for being sent off the way he was,” said Clough after the game, accepting the result and promising to fine Davies a week’s wages. “He is only young and he will learn.”

But still, the sense of injustice simmered in Clough, and the fascination with the European Cup was one of the reasons he took the baffling decision to rock up at Leeds the following year. Juventus lost to the great Ajax side of Cruyff, Rep and Neeskens in the final, so the chances of Derby winning the thing if they had gone through were probably slim.

Still, as Clough proved a few years later, with him miracles could happen to moderate teams from the East Midlands