Tyler Durden

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Roos unfortunately reminds me of my 12 year old playing in goal. But he kicks it short because he can't get the ball up in the air/can't get it far enough down field. And similarly it causes loads of goals against as well.

Phew I couldn't sleep last night fretting about that one.

Let's be honest, it's no wonder MM couldn't sell us with that amount of debt.
We need to bring back the ducking stool.

Take a bow son. 
 
50% of the starting 10 outfield players today from the academy. 
 
Somebody said earlier this week that we should scrap the academy - I’m not so sure. 
 
My mates lad plays in the academy and said to me recently how well all the staff have handled the situation and it’s as if nothing has happened since we went into administration. That only comes from great leadership. 

That won't wash in League 1 either

Roos defence - I was only following my orders 

That won't wash in League 1 either

But if you lost your job due to Covid that would make it all OK don't forget ?

The equivalent would be if you'd racked up a load of debt by extravagant spending and had a large mortgage that you were struggling to afford to pay as it was, then you lost your job and it all went south. Now, some people do do that but you'd usually say they were irresponsible and shouldn't be so silly. But that's usually a private affair that the family may admonish the responsible party for, but the difference is Mel did this with an institution almost 140 years old, an institution vital to the lifeblood of the city that it resides in that have had generations contributing to and being a part of. It's nothing short of an absolute disgrace that it's led to all of this. 

And its not just Mel who loses out financially. There's a long list of creditors. Plus the fans suffer through no fault of their own. 

We owe nothing to MM.
He put £120m into his company which was then used to buy share capital in The Derby County Football Club Limited. 
He may be owed money from his company but is owed nothing, personally, from the football club.

Its not, believe me. Credit to that has got to be the thread started espousing it was the fans fault we are currently in our dire predicament.
I'd send you a link to it but quite correctly it was shut down by the mods after a couple of hours.

This may be the worst exaggeration Ive seen on this forum ever.
A mortgage is a gamble that you can afford to take on a debt and repay it from your income. If your income stops with no support from the Government you may struggle to service the loan and you may lose your home. There are warnings to that effect when people take out mortgages , yet still they do it and still some people lose their homes. If they were self employed there may be HMRC debts owing as well.  Were they immoral or just unlucky? Or unwise maybe, at worst?The days when debtors were sent to jail have long gone you know.
In the Rams case, Morris believed that the  income from Derby's loyal fan base was secure, and built his financial plans on that. Call that  a gamble if you like but i would say Derby's ticket income is  probably normally more secure than any salaried income, so less of a gamble to rely on that to cover our costs than to rely on your salary to pay a mortgage.

Yet what happened with the pandemic was unprecedented in history. Revenue of £20 million lost in an 18 month period. And no support from the Governnment despite it being the Government that ordered the closure of stadia. And who is our biggest creditor? A Government agency, HMRC! And who apart from the players and their agents was the biggest beneficary of Morris high spending years? HMRC. 

I think if Morris can afford to pay the debts, he should from a moral point of view. Otherwise, HMRC as a Government agency is in no position to play the morality card, and in any case it is clear Derby cannot afford to pay without external help.  

As we don't know whether he can or cannot afford to pay the debts, (and never will know as the force majeure appeal was never heard) I am not willing to make any personal attacks on his morality, or signify my "contempt" for him. Especially as according to Gboro "personal attacks" are against forum rules.  In my book calling people immoral when you do not know the facts to support such a claim is a personal attack.

  

To be fair, the Loch Ness Monster has been spotted more times than Mel Morris over the last 6 weeks.

Wowzer, in terms of mismanagement, we exceeded my expectations

As a business owner myself, I never cease to be amazed at what some company directors get away with.
I suppose it depends on how you were brought up (and how well you like to sleep at night)?

I suspect the only potential offence is allowing the company to continue to "trade" whilst insolvent. If guilty I don't think it would help Derby in any way - on the creditors. 

He really has chickened out and ducked all his responsibilities.

I am new to this but from what I can see David and the mods do a great job. There are fees to pay and the cash has to come from somewhere. If not enough comes in you will be sat there looking at a blank screen, if more than enough comes in does anybody begrudge David a d the mods the odd or even tipple. They must spend countless hours a day on here and will be lucky to see a fee pence for their time. Well worth it

This may be the worst analogy I've seen on this forum so far.
No one takes on a mortgage as a gamble, it's a long term investment of low risk for both the borrower and the lender, and the basis of our home owning society.
Mel's done the opposite, gambled with money he does have, then walked away to let taxpayers, businesses and quite shamefully, in my opinion, two different ambulance services bear the pain, one state owned, one a charity ffs.

I honestly don't care if Covid was or wasn't the catalyst that broke him. He gambled with money he didn't have, then Covid meant it wasn't coming so instead of digging deep to pay what he'd already committed to spending, he ran out leaving a big tab. Perfect storm or not, he gambled on future income that failed to materialise. What's the moral thing to do?

Completely Ballsed-up Everything?

Catastrophic Business Execution