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He never takes responsibility.   If we perform poorly it's players below par, losing their battles, not doing the basics.   
I don't buy it - one week Bird can pass a ball and the next week he can't?    Yes players will make mistakes within a game, misplace a pass, let their man go, lose a tackle - but if it isn't working for them consistently within a game it's probably not them but something within the game that the manager could change.    

When has he said tactically he got it wrong?  
 
When ? What faults has he admitted to ?   Im not talking about some vague collective responsibility line - I'm talking about analysing a poor performance in terms other than blaming the players for being below par.  

He never takes responsibility.   If we perform poorly it's players below par, losing their battles, not doing the basics.   
I don't buy it - one week Bird can pass a ball and the next week he can't?    Yes players will make mistakes within a game, misplace a pass, let their man go, lose a tackle - but if it isn't working for them consistently within a game it's probably not them but something within the game that the manager could change.    

He never takes responsibility.   If we perform poorly it's players below par, losing their battles, not doing the basics.   
I don't buy it - one week Bird can pass a ball and the next week he can't?    Yes players will make mistakes within a game, misplace a pass, let their man go, lose a tackle - but if it isn't working for them consistently within a game it's probably not them but something within the game that the manager could change.    

ATG
31Vickers 6
2Wilson 6
35Nelson 6.5
6Cashin 6.5
17Sibley 7
7Barkhuizen 4
4Hourihane 4.5
22Fornah 6
8Bird 6
5Bradley 6
27Blackett-Taylor 3
16Thompson 6
11Méndez-Laing 6
9Collins 6.5
Haven't watched any highlights back so don't know if there was fault for their goal- have given our goalscorers a bonus point each in that.

Enough booed that if they stayed away you'd be supporting a team with similar size support to Cheltenham.   

Thought the half time boos were justified for once.   Absolute shocker of a performance - even after tne changes we looked no better than their equals - and they were as poor as their  league position suggests. 
Thought going on about Sibley getting lucky with not giving a penalty away after was so poor after Sibley had a good game.   Maybe offer a better post match analysis for once instead of seeing everything in terms of individual battles, doing the basics right  and being brave on the ball - though how you can be brave on the ball when you are told not to take more than two touches who knows. 
 
Bird and Collins with two goals that were out of place with the performance have saved  Warne there because I haven't heard the atmosphere in tne crowd that toxic for a long long time.   

Thought the half time boos were justified for once.   Absolute shocker of a performance - even after tne changes we looked no better than their equals - and they were as poor as their  league position suggests. 
Thought going on about Sibley getting lucky with not giving a penalty away after was so poor after Sibley had a good game.   Maybe offer a better post match analysis for once instead of seeing everything in terms of individual battles, doing the basics right  and being brave on the ball - though how you can be brave on the ball when you are told not to take more than two touches who knows. 
 
Bird and Collins with two goals that were out of place with the performance have saved  Warne there because I haven't heard the atmosphere in tne crowd that toxic for a long long time.   

Thought the half time boos were justified for once.   Absolute shocker of a performance - even after tne changes we looked no better than their equals - and they were as poor as their  league position suggests. 
Thought going on about Sibley getting lucky with not giving a penalty away after was so poor after Sibley had a good game.   Maybe offer a better post match analysis for once instead of seeing everything in terms of individual battles, doing the basics right  and being brave on the ball - though how you can be brave on the ball when you are told not to take more than two touches who knows. 
 
Bird and Collins with two goals that were out of place with the performance have saved  Warne there because I haven't heard the atmosphere in tne crowd that toxic for a long long time.   

Enough booed that if they stayed away you'd be supporting a team with similar size support to Cheltenham.   

Enough booed that if they stayed away you'd be supporting a team with similar size support to Cheltenham.   

Thought the half time boos were justified for once.   Absolute shocker of a performance - even after tne changes we looked no better than their equals - and they were as poor as their  league position suggests. 
Thought going on about Sibley getting lucky with not giving a penalty away after was so poor after Sibley had a good game.   Maybe offer a better post match analysis for once instead of seeing everything in terms of individual battles, doing the basics right  and being brave on the ball - though how you can be brave on the ball when you are told not to take more than two touches who knows. 
 
Bird and Collins with two goals that were out of place with the performance have saved  Warne there because I haven't heard the atmosphere in tne crowd that toxic for a long long time.   

Another absolutely rancid display by a team that deserved all the booing they got at half time. You’d they’d want to show a reaction after Reading, but they just carried on where they left off.
Tactics all wrong by Warne as well, he has to stop with this two in midfield s*** - it’s no coincidence our bad performances have started since we switched to 4-4-2. Absolutely awful system that has no place in the modern game. Totally overrun yet again.
Fed up of our only tactic being launch it to the wings and whip it in - it’s so one dimensional. When we actually use the midfield and try to play a bit of football through the thirds, then we look so much better! Why can our dinosaur of a manager not see this…
Im beginning to really dislike this team itself, as well as the fraud in the dug out. At least the team that went down had some character. This lot couldn’t give a f***. And as for captain Hourihane… words can’t describe my feelings towards his “leadership”.
We were so lucky to win that game today, it’s only a moment of individual quality from Max Bird that turned it around. It’s time this manager and this team got a f****** grip. Performances this week have been truly pathetic, were meant to be the best team in the league!

I thought we underperformed last season - top 6 should have been the minimum and I think Rosenior would have achieved that given he barely had McGoldrick available.   This year the league does feel weaker - hard to compare but if anything our best seems below last year's level even though we sit higher than how we finished the last.  
My worry us we seem very short term, unimaginative and reactive with a lot of our signings.   Nyambe only really came in when the back 5 idea was proving a disaster.   Waghorn was a panic buy.   Smith would be another Warne knows from Rotherham.   Part of this may be down to EFL restrictions but it all seems like fire fighting rather than building with a coherent philosophy.  If we don't go up I couldn't say we are further along than Summer of 2022 and given Bird and Cashin will leave and I can't imagine Hourihane, Collins, Sibley or Smith will be offered equivalent deals we'll effectively be starting from scratch.   Now Warne may welcome that but for me where would the evidence be he should lead that rebuild?  

Surely a pointless comment - he has more experience than any of us so why bother reading this forum?    There is a difference between being able to  manage a professional football club and being able to recognise when someone isn't making a great job of it.   

I thought we underperformed last season - top 6 should have been the minimum and I think Rosenior would have achieved that given he barely had McGoldrick available.   This year the league does feel weaker - hard to compare but if anything our best seems below last year's level even though we sit higher than how we finished the last.  
My worry us we seem very short term, unimaginative and reactive with a lot of our signings.   Nyambe only really came in when the back 5 idea was proving a disaster.   Waghorn was a panic buy.   Smith would be another Warne knows from Rotherham.   Part of this may be down to EFL restrictions but it all seems like fire fighting rather than building with a coherent philosophy.  If we don't go up I couldn't say we are further along than Summer of 2022 and given Bird and Cashin will leave and I can't imagine Hourihane, Collins, Sibley or Smith will be offered equivalent deals we'll effectively be starting from scratch.   Now Warne may welcome that but for me where would the evidence be he should lead that rebuild?  

Please don't take this the wrong way, as I think you are an excellent poster, but you can sometimes be weirdly pedantic and binary about things like this. 
Surely it's reasonable to assume these players are on very good deals for League One? As in it's highly unlikely they are not?

Maybe ask about how our first team recruitment works - who identifies targets and does Warne have final say.   

I thought we underperformed last season - top 6 should have been the minimum and I think Rosenior would have achieved that given he barely had McGoldrick available.   This year the league does feel weaker - hard to compare but if anything our best seems below last year's level even though we sit higher than how we finished the last.  
My worry us we seem very short term, unimaginative and reactive with a lot of our signings.   Nyambe only really came in when the back 5 idea was proving a disaster.   Waghorn was a panic buy.   Smith would be another Warne knows from Rotherham.   Part of this may be down to EFL restrictions but it all seems like fire fighting rather than building with a coherent philosophy.  If we don't go up I couldn't say we are further along than Summer of 2022 and given Bird and Cashin will leave and I can't imagine Hourihane, Collins, Sibley or Smith will be offered equivalent deals we'll effectively be starting from scratch.   Now Warne may welcome that but for me where would the evidence be he should lead that rebuild?  

I thought we underperformed last season - top 6 should have been the minimum and I think Rosenior would have achieved that given he barely had McGoldrick available.   This year the league does feel weaker - hard to compare but if anything our best seems below last year's level even though we sit higher than how we finished the last.  
My worry us we seem very short term, unimaginative and reactive with a lot of our signings.   Nyambe only really came in when the back 5 idea was proving a disaster.   Waghorn was a panic buy.   Smith would be another Warne knows from Rotherham.   Part of this may be down to EFL restrictions but it all seems like fire fighting rather than building with a coherent philosophy.  If we don't go up I couldn't say we are further along than Summer of 2022 and given Bird and Cashin will leave and I can't imagine Hourihane, Collins, Sibley or Smith will be offered equivalent deals we'll effectively be starting from scratch.   Now Warne may welcome that but for me where would the evidence be he should lead that rebuild?  

I'm no tactician but this is how I see things, just to defend the players a bit:

Warne is clearly asking Vickers to pump it long or get it to the wingbacks. Cashin & Nelson are pumping the ball to the wingers or long to Collins (who always wants it on the deck). But they eff it up often because they're not Terry & Ferdinand.
There is a continual call for a sturdy DM, but it should be apparent by now that Warne feels that would be a waste of a player. Our wingbacks and wingers run down the touchline and when they lose the ball we're vulnerable on the counter-attack. Or if NML, Wilson, or Collins have an off-game, there's no other plan.
We have CMs who can play a bit but they're following orders - Hourihane sits far too deep to play to his strengths, he hasn't the pace or the tackling ability to cover the middle of the pitch, and Bird/Smith/Tommo is largely left chasing shadows, Sibley seems to be an annoyance to Warne and just gets put wherever. I'd try and shape Fornah into that no-nonsense DM, but maybe it's better to leave him out of the squad entirely, right?

The tactics have worked with Fozzy & Nyambe fit, when Wilson/Barks & NML are playing well, and if Collins can stand in the right place. (We are 4th, despite all of my complaints). If not, the team can collapse at any moment. But by and large, we've got the results - we're 4th, remember.

And I know it's irrational, but Sonny Bradley's presence fills me with rage. He was supposed to be the seasoned pro, all-action leader type, but he's such a wet blanket, and he seems to be in the squad because there's still a belief he'll step up, or to justify his wages. After the Bradford he talked about senior players being responsible for motivating the team - that's supposed to be you, you d*ckhead! He's 32, he's played nearly 500 professional games: if he can't perform now, it's not going to happen, and you can't baby him through a 50+ game season.
I hope we can stay in touch with the top 4, and I'm excited to go to Charlton away. I'm also not a sack the manager type but I'd boot Warne in the summer whether we go up or not. Our transfer focus has to shift (and is shifting?) from over 30s journeymen to under 27s with potential, and I think he's shown he can't create a balanced squad, still doesn't know his best XI, and can't or won't play players to their strengths. He has bizarre loyalty to Smith, Bradley, Vickers, and seems to have taken against Fornah, Wildsmith, Sibley, Brown, etc. Maybe he is the annoying, fickle office manager he comes across as.

I thought we underperformed last season - top 6 should have been the minimum and I think Rosenior would have achieved that given he barely had McGoldrick available.   This year the league does feel weaker - hard to compare but if anything our best seems below last year's level even though we sit higher than how we finished the last.  
My worry us we seem very short term, unimaginative and reactive with a lot of our signings.   Nyambe only really came in when the back 5 idea was proving a disaster.   Waghorn was a panic buy.   Smith would be another Warne knows from Rotherham.   Part of this may be down to EFL restrictions but it all seems like fire fighting rather than building with a coherent philosophy.  If we don't go up I couldn't say we are further along than Summer of 2022 and given Bird and Cashin will leave and I can't imagine Hourihane, Collins, Sibley or Smith will be offered equivalent deals we'll effectively be starting from scratch.   Now Warne may welcome that but for me where would the evidence be he should lead that rebuild?  

For @Jourdan 
@JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta "I posted a version of this in the match thread but it belongs here I think. I'm Warne out, I have been all season really. Even in our run of form performance levels were frequently poor and we rarely look like a team in control of a football match.
The simple fact is Warne thinks he can approach the Derby job with good vibes and percentage based kick and rush football down the flanks that offers little control. There's not really any nuance to it and any manager with half a brain can figure it out and counter it. 
Despite the above, we have brute forced a number of wins by having better players and a bigger budget than the opposition. If we get promoted we won't have better players and a bigger budget than the opposition. What do we do then?
I maintain that a manager with a more advanced approach to football and how to set a team up would extract better performances out of this team, and the deficiencies I see in Warne's approach will only become more of a problem as time goes on."

Seems a bit extreme, we could just sell him instead 😉 

Random suggestion...
What about about its the play offs scenario, unless the 3rd place finish a certain amount of points eg 5 ..10 clear of 4th, then they go up automatically.
Or every 3 points gives them a goal start in the play offs. 
PS I think it's fine as it is really.