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@Owen87ITK may still be on his honeymoon.
Warne's honeymoon is certainly over.

While winning football matches is ultimately everything in football, I do find there is extra leeway given in defeats where you can see a clear plan and the football is generally positive and front-foot.
The biggest problem managers face is when they disregard pretty football and it’s all about results. Because when results don’t go your way, it makes it that much tougher to take as fan. It’s just crap.
If Mourinho isn’t winning his football is awful to watch. Gary Rowett’s tenure was the same. I can’t think of a single game under Rowett where we lost and there was a slightest positive to take. It was just terrible.
Warneball is similar. When we lose it’s generally an awful watch. He needs results quickly. Expectations were always high in the Championship, in League One we simply have to be competing at the top.

@Owen87ITK may still be on his honeymoon.
Warne's honeymoon is certainly over.

@Owen87ITK may still be on his honeymoon.
Warne's honeymoon is certainly over.

Well that's just plain ridiculous. Some games we should win by four or five.

@Owen87ITK may still be on his honeymoon.
Warne's honeymoon is certainly over.

@Owen87ITK may still be on his honeymoon.
Warne's honeymoon is certainly over.

Saturday 12th August 2023, 15:00, Pirelli Stadium.
A good chance to pull our fingers out and bounce back from a disappointing start/drag ourselves out of an apocalypse.
I’m looking forward to coming up for this one, we don’t usually fare too well against our Staffordshire neighbours, but I’m confident we can get a win this time.

He's transitioning to a Derby fan.
Soon Red Dawnie will be no more and BlacknWhite Sunset will be stanning Super hard for Paul Warne and getting emotional listening to Ed Dawes.
 

Well that's just plain ridiculous. Some games we should win by four or five.

Well that's just plain ridiculous. Some games we should win by four or five.

+1
From the snippet we've seen, there's confirmation he was undermined by Mel recruiting Rooney.

My mum used to make brandy snaps and put brandy in the whipped cream too .. can’t help thinking social services would have wanted to say something now 🤪

Having grown up in Hull I can confirm via my experience of eating Brandy Snaps at Hull Fair that the experience could be tempting to Bird, there’s something special about buying a bag of those sticky sweet bad boys whilst neon lights and the risk of death swirl around you. 

 
(this isn’t a serious suggestion, but it is a genuine life experience)

You don't air thoughts like that. Really poor leadership. Needs to think about his actions more.

Coming out and saying this seems worrying
Why have they? You won't be holding them hostage then? How many?
 

The history of Derby County. The Cocu and Rooney years. Sponsored by PTSD

I see it now as the right man at the wrong time. How he infiltrated the youth into the squad and our style of play was exactly what Morris and the fans were after and it was taking a very good shape on the pitch before the covid shutdown. I don’t think anyone was expecting play offs that season, but I think the players and the fans were just starting to buy into what Cocu was wanting. Then covid happened and behind the scenes it was falling apart. Reading the post on the Waggy thread it seems that Rooney was dividing the players, our scouting and recruitment was a mess and the finances speak for themselves. That second season everyone’s heads went and it just got worse and worse.

+1
From the snippet we've seen, there's confirmation he was undermined by Mel recruiting Rooney.

I really wanted it to work out with Cocu. Obviously, I want it to work out with every Derby manager but I really thought we were onto something with Cocu, it just felt like we had got ourselves someone a bit special. So sad when that didn't happen, and equally sad to see that Vitesse, who he is now managing, have only achieved the 30% win rate that he got at Derby.
If ifs and buts were apples and nuts eh!

@Macintosh’s post in the Waggy thread pointed this out but Ryan Conways book about the Cocu-Rooney years has a release date and is available for pre order: 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pride-Before-Fall-Play-Off-Extinction/dp/1801505039
Be interesting to see if anything new comes from it and I hope it does well for Ryan.

There's a new book coming out in October about the Rams' last few seasons Pride Before the Fall). A nice mention of Waggy:
 
Underpinning some of Cocu’s demise was the presence of Rooney. Talk of Cocu not particularly wanting Rooney at the club and the signing being thrust upon him was doing the rounds amid the squad in earnest. Rooney had been brought in as a player-coach, but did little in the way of coaching outside of sitting in on video sessions and passing on some advice to several players.
‘If he liked you, he’d offer you advice,’ Max Lowe remarked. ‘[Max] Bird, [Jason] Knight – they were his boys. I think he saw some of himself in them. He liked them. Waggy [Martyn Waghorn], too. But for some of the lads it was a bit hard to integrate with Wayne. Obviously we were at a different level from where he’d come from. I think it was hard to find a bit of common ground with him sometimes.’
Whispers had also spread through the squad that Rooney had a clause in his contract that he was going to be the next manager – something which created somewhat of an uneasy tension within the changing room.
‘Sometimes you didn’t feel like you were just playing with Wayne the player. You felt like it was an audition to see if the next manager wanted you there,’ said Lowe.
‘You’d come in on a Monday and we’d break out into our warm-ups and people would ask where Wayne was,’ Lowe said. ‘I think Waghorn would get a bit annoyed especially as he and Wayne would play on the PlayStation together and stuff – they were pretty close – then Wayne wouldn’t show the next day.
‘We never got told if it was a day off or if he was injured or excused for personal reasons. None of that. He just wasn’t there. Then obviously he’d come straight into the team at the weekend and it meant guys like Duane, or Graeme [Shinnie], or Knight, or [Krystian] Bielik had to drop out of the team.’

And his son is thrilled, too! 
 

So, signing Billy Sharp was not the worst case scenario after all......
But selling Max Bird so that we can fund Billy Sharp's wages really would be.

Welhome waghorn I am so happy you are back at derby I hope you can add good play in set peaces and put some free kicks back of the net. And get this side ticking again and also get selby going also and help get collions score goals.
I am so happy you are back now let's get chris martin back now and goals soon start flying in again.