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I realise as fans we might not be happy about the possibility of dropping into League 1, but come on, it's not the end of the world, especially if the EFL problems are behind us and we have new owners.
Derby will still be a massive draw for the kind of players we should be looking for. There will be young hungry players coming through at another league 1 / league 2 club looking to progress to the next level (and there will be some gems if we get the right scouting team in place), Premier League club loanees looking for a taste of first team football (and if Wayne is still here I'm sure he will be able to use his contacts) and the odd experience pro who wants to give a little back (like Curtis / Jags, who let's face it aren't at Derby for the sake of their future career). We'll also still have some of the current crop of recently promoted Academy players who will have a full season of games in them.
If we went down to League 1, we'd be a very big fish, we'll still have one of the best staduims outside of the Premier League, a fantastic training ground, Grade 1 Academy, and an amazing fan base (we'd fill most away ends as well).
So whilst I don't want us to go down as much as anybody else, let's at least consider relegation as a chance to reset and regroup, rather than as a doomsday scenario.
I was there during the old Third Division days, I remember the despair at going down, but I remember even more fondly some of the best couple of years being a Derby fan during those 2 years.
Keep the faith Ramboy63.
UTR ?

Am I allowed to believe both that Mel Morris is ultimately to blame for taking us into administration, that he presumably signed off on our approach to finances and accounting which got us into trouble and if he hadn’t spent big sums of cash at the behest of his managers (ie not supported them) then we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in… AND… that the EFL have acted dishonesty, acted retrospectively against all normal rules of natural justice, have sought to block or stymie every single attempt for us to get out of the mess and place additional barriers in our way, have maliciously not used any discretion in how they have interpreted the rules or punishment and are one gigantic pile of excrement?
I mean, there’s plenty of blame to go around, I don’t think we need to be polarised about it or ‘take sides’.

I don't say £20 million is the loss to Derby County due to COVID. I say that is the lost revenue during the period until the stadium reopened to fans in august 2021. Add on lost revenue for 2021-22 of maybe another £5 million to £10 million due to vulnerable fans staying away, loss of Corporate jollies, events  and discretionary hospitality etc.
Then how much more could we have got for Jayden Bogle at pre COVID valuations, maybe £5 million more. Or Morgan Whittaker maybe £2 million more. Or players who left at  end of contracts for nothing because we couldn't afford to keep them.

I don't really want to think about the effects on player valuations of people who are still at the club, as I hope we don't find out in January. But even if you ignore the effect of COVID on the saleability of the club and the threat to the club's very existence, you are probably talking, with a further significant loss due to player valuations plunging,  at total losses due to COVID close to maybe 80% to 90% of the £60 million of hard debt we are reported to have.
   

The Baseball Ground 1970/71.

How dare you!
 
I'll have know i'm not in the least bit Oxy?

A good read that was Reg, But not for those who believe in Fairy Tales, Football for me lost it's Soul years ago, I can't put a date/time on it, The passion I had for football has got me into bother with Away fans, Home fans, Family, The Law, The Courts, All because of a team called Derby County, They could have been aliens from another planet who ate their children and i've still walked on broken glass barefooted to watch them.
Football is a Corrupt Sport, FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF and others are even today in it for the Money, Fans like B4 who posts on here, He and his Dad go home and away, Spend their hard earned, Are treated when going away as an inconvenience, He's where I and many many 1000s were back in the day.
In todays World of Football...it's run by those who have NO! affinity to the club they own, Players who cheat, Refs who are incompetent have taken the game to another World, Yesterday England Vs Albania...2mins of injury time in the 1st half, When there were 4 stopages from Albanian players going down injuered amounting to close on 8mins, The fans are still being cheated, The price fans pay for this division is £30+ for an away game...and people still pay it...and fare play to them.
Sorry for the rant all unfortunately it's the World we live in...driven by £££££££££££££££££££££.

I have an away membership and take my two grandsons to about 8 away games a season , as you ask. As for Boro away - I would send one fan with a banner saying . “Shove your pies where the sun don’t shine”

This is the EFL we are talking about. 
 
Completely unsupervised and unaccountable organisation

So was selling our ground but we still get stick for it 

We could be insisting on a 32 point deduction and the EFL saying ok that’s great whilst Reading fc get nine points for only spending way more than us 

For me, the EFL became the bad guys when they used the words "disappointed" and "regrettable" when one of their attempts to punish us failed. Its a governing body and should be ran as such, the use of such language turned it into a witch hunt imo.
None of that takes any blame from Mel, it just makes the EFL look like they are not bothered about the actual rules and whether we have broken them, but rather they want to punish us because we appear to have broken the rules and are under pressure from powerful lobbying from outside their organisation.
Plus I'm biased. ???

You forgot the Welsh football genius. 

Everything the EFL wants is being leaked to the gutter press, the same gutter press who asked no questions about Ridsdale fit for purpose for a role on the EFL board, all in it together it stinks.
Share issue by Bristol City,  7/11/2019 £71 million Landsdown transferred them to himself to write off club debt, 2/6/2021 another share issue to himself £14 million to write off club debt, is this not a form of cheating to beat ffs.
Gibson transfering money from his haulage company to the football club for which the EFL have done nothing yet surely this is another form of cheating, no excuses from the EFL for they can go way back with Derby

Part of having an expert witness provide evidence is the the jury (or panel of judges in this case) decide on the competence of the witness.  You can't just have someone rock up and claim to be an expert and then be required by law to take it on faith that they are. The 3 judges on the panel clearly listened to Prof Pope's evidence and decided he was unfit to be an expert witness - there are repeated statements in their written report about him being unaware of the very rules he was giving evidence on, him not understanding his actual role as an expert witness and generally not being at all useful.  It's quite frankly bizarre that that would all be ignored by the appeals panels.
Obviously we should have presented our own expert witness, but I do wonder if we thought the point we lost on was so self-evident that we didn't actually need to prove it was true. We basically lost because the EFL argued that when FRS102 says "from use and disposal" it actually only allows "from use" and the other 2 words are entirely superfluous.  If you're going argue that words don't mean the things they mean, then we'd still be there now arguing over every word in the dictionary.

Exactly. Also why should promotion to the Premier league allow a club to avoid points deductions for FFP breaches in the Championship ?
It is analogous to an individual committing fraud on a massive scale and then fleeing to the Costa Del Sol to escape punishment. 

You forgot the Welsh football genius. 

Understand the sentiment Jim but I think I'd go with the turn up en masse and sing loud, sing proud option. The club and the players need all the support they can get currently and we don't want prospective new owners thinking us fans are off on our toes.
It's also a bit of a two-fingered salute to our myriad of detractors.

You forgot the Welsh football genius. 

I’m so sick of fans blaming fans for insisting they are being blamed. I blame the fans 

Even when you start a post saying 'i'm not blaming the fans' you get accused of blaming fans. More strawmen than the Wizard of Oz auditions. 

What's ridiculous is fans insisting that they are being blamed when they are not. Literally nobody is making that point!

No. But a lifelong fan who has been taken aback by the far ranging hatred towards someone who has invested significantly with the hope of achieving the premier goal we all desire. If I were a billionaire I wouldn't want to invest. Whatever the next person does is likely to be hated. Invest and they shouldn't have done. Don't invest, then the moaning about lack of investment will inevitabley follow. 

Or maybe as a fan, a businessman and with the fans expectations, Mel put his own money in to the club to invest with a view to getting the club promoted along with shrewd business tactics. The EFL then decide to change and backdate the rules and therefore force the club from a compliant FFP position into a potentially non compliant position followed by vitriol and hatred shown by the fans towards Mel. I can't say I blame him putting the club into admin with the way a lot of the Derby fans behave. 
Now if John Percy is to be believed, the EFL are dragging out the appeal hearing for the administration so that any sale cannot be concluded forcing the administrators to retract the appeal, accept the additional points deduction to clear up the situation as soon as possible and conclude the sale. 
Wonderful. 

Sign a goal scorer from Halifax
Sign a painter and decorator from non league
Sign a cockney Midfield General 
Sorted.

Marvellous! .....isn't it ?