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Not read the whole thread but have to say impressed with people's views over the past couple of pages - thoughtful and considered.  Personally I'm keen to get back to normal, or whatever the new normal is however, living in a vulnerable household I shall remain cautious. No more snogging strangers, and like someone has already mentioned, I'll choose an outdoor seat at the pub where possible!  I know of two people personally who are refusing to take their jabs - mainly on the basis they are concerned about long term affects.  One to be fair is now leaning toward having it (I'm glad as she's a good friend of the family), the other remains strongly in the no camp and is adamant he'll do whatever he likes: #@$*!.   I have my 2nd jab end of this month and I can't wait.  
In my view it's important we continue to work toward getting back to some sense of normality, for our well-being, the economy - a whole host of reasons.  It does need everyone though to still be cognizant that it's not all rosy, some remain vulnerable and not to ignore all risks.  What worries me is people have short memories and will be fairly blasé once they feel they're unshackled.  Same goes with holidays abroad - we've chose to completely veto the idea this year, much as I'd love to spend two weeks next to a pool sipping a Mai Tai. I've been somewhat surprised at a few people I know who are jumping on planes at the first opportunity.  Personal choice I know but for me, we're not yet on top of this, and most definitely not across Europe. For me this summer / autumn remains a bit of a test case - next year will be where things hopefully go back to some semblance of where we were pre-Covid. 
I really look forward to getting back out there, but strongly hope people remain sensible - possibly a vain hope. 

Not read the whole thread but have to say impressed with people's views over the past couple of pages - thoughtful and considered.  Personally I'm keen to get back to normal, or whatever the new normal is however, living in a vulnerable household I shall remain cautious. No more snogging strangers, and like someone has already mentioned, I'll choose an outdoor seat at the pub where possible!  I know of two people personally who are refusing to take their jabs - mainly on the basis they are concerned about long term affects.  One to be fair is now leaning toward having it (I'm glad as she's a good friend of the family), the other remains strongly in the no camp and is adamant he'll do whatever he likes: #@$*!.   I have my 2nd jab end of this month and I can't wait.  
In my view it's important we continue to work toward getting back to some sense of normality, for our well-being, the economy - a whole host of reasons.  It does need everyone though to still be cognizant that it's not all rosy, some remain vulnerable and not to ignore all risks.  What worries me is people have short memories and will be fairly blasé once they feel they're unshackled.  Same goes with holidays abroad - we've chose to completely veto the idea this year, much as I'd love to spend two weeks next to a pool sipping a Mai Tai. I've been somewhat surprised at a few people I know who are jumping on planes at the first opportunity.  Personal choice I know but for me, we're not yet on top of this, and most definitely not across Europe. For me this summer / autumn remains a bit of a test case - next year will be where things hopefully go back to some semblance of where we were pre-Covid. 
I really look forward to getting back out there, but strongly hope people remain sensible - possibly a vain hope. 

Quote of the day......sod it, quote of the month. ?

If you're in a vulnerable group or over 50 you can bring your 2nd jab forward from after 11/12 weeks to after 8 (not the chocolate!).
If you're aware of how the virus is transmitted - aerosol - then sitting outside in the sun is a good idea. Getting on a plane is also fairly safe because of the way they filter the air (owing to having to deal with smoking years ago). The worst bit of it all will probably be coming back to the UK airports if they don't sort out the 'traffic lights' and Border Control.
We went to Kefalonia last September, felt perfectly safe. Didn't go to any discos mind.

I'd love Johnny back. It's between him and Hughes for who I miss most from our Clough/Steve Mac days.

Agree, although slightly tongue in cheek, it wasn't a complete pipe dream to be honest.  

Stranger things have happened

We can Dream

During which Jóźwiak has a blinder, assists against Slovakia, scores a late equaliser against Sweden and stuns the crowd with a brace against Spain, following which his value rockets to over £35million and we sell him putting us nicely in the black.  

During which Jóźwiak has a blinder, assists against Slovakia, scores a late equaliser against Sweden and stuns the crowd with a brace against Spain, following which his value rockets to over £35million and we sell him putting us nicely in the black.  

So more than likely a load of Billy Ballcocks then? - wish folk wouldn't be so keen to grab every utterence of the gutter press (by that I mean pretty much all of them nowadays) and treat it as gospel.....

I'll show you how to do it sometime ?

Hi Erik
We have two people you may want to get in touch with. 
They're called Phil and Kirstie and they are used to dealing with knobs like you who pretend they can afford expensive properties then baulk at the last minute. 

I'd love to know if any other clubs are using future economic benefits from disposal for anything at all (I mean literally anything, not just players), because if they're expressly banned by the EFL's head-canon version of FRS102, then they're all due a big punishment too.

Feel this needs a separate thread.  Ar-mond or All-mond anyone? Pri-vacy or Prai-vacy?  I could go (rant) on. Too many Americanisms in our language ?

In Birmingham's case, they broke the P&S rules by overspending, and admitted straight away to having knowingly done so. It was a rule break that they knowingly made, but thought the punishment was worth taking. Seeing as they've not been relegated since, it seems to have been the smart call on their part.
In Wednesday's case, the biggest factor in their punishment was the timeline that decisions were made by the club. Effectively, at the time of the end of the financial window, the club believed that they had broken the spending rules. The stadium sale was actioned after the window had closed, and retroactively applied to the window. Their punishment was applied because the stadium sale was made to "undo" an overspend that they had already anticipated. I believe their panel found that they had been misinformed by the EFL, but it was ultimately irrelevant, because had the EFL informed them correctly prior to the stadium sale, it wouldn't have made a difference: Wednesday would have already have made the financial breach, and they would not have been able to have taken alternative measures to correct this. This resulted in the club having no punishment for misconduct, solely for the overspend.
If it is the case that the original panel still believes the club acted honestly and in good faith, I would be very surprised to see a particularly substantial punishment handed down by them.

This!  There's not much I get on my soap box about but this is the one that lights my touch paper.  Relegated teams not only often come down with the core of their PL squad still intact, but then get given millions to aid their cause. It's no wonder they'll invariably either get promoted straight away (aka Norwich / Watford) or at least be fighting for the play offs (aka Bournemouth / Swansea).  Whilst the rest of the clubs, Derby in this case break the bank to try and compete.  
By regaining immediate promotion the PL recoup something like £83 million for Norwich and Watford.  Add to that what Bournemouth / Swansea would have got and you're looking at over £100 million.  I know the EFL are supposedly looking to ask for this "back" but it's not the policy so is unlikely to wash.  Distributing that money across the EFL clubs instead of back into the already overflowing PL coffers would provide a huge lifeline for many clubs.  Whilst I know it's money that originates from the PL pot, so they'd see it as just keeping "what's ours", as it would have been paid into the EFL, why not still do so - it'd be a massive step in helping to keep the 69? EFL clubs afloat.  Grrrrr

This!  There's not much I get on my soap box about but this is the one that lights my touch paper.  Relegated teams not only often come down with the core of their PL squad still intact, but then get given millions to aid their cause. It's no wonder they'll invariably either get promoted straight away (aka Norwich / Watford) or at least be fighting for the play offs (aka Bournemouth / Swansea).  Whilst the rest of the clubs, Derby in this case break the bank to try and compete.  
By regaining immediate promotion the PL recoup something like £83 million for Norwich and Watford.  Add to that what Bournemouth / Swansea would have got and you're looking at over £100 million.  I know the EFL are supposedly looking to ask for this "back" but it's not the policy so is unlikely to wash.  Distributing that money across the EFL clubs instead of back into the already overflowing PL coffers would provide a huge lifeline for many clubs.  Whilst I know it's money that originates from the PL pot, so they'd see it as just keeping "what's ours", as it would have been paid into the EFL, why not still do so - it'd be a massive step in helping to keep the 69? EFL clubs afloat.  Grrrrr

This!  There's not much I get on my soap box about but this is the one that lights my touch paper.  Relegated teams not only often come down with the core of their PL squad still intact, but then get given millions to aid their cause. It's no wonder they'll invariably either get promoted straight away (aka Norwich / Watford) or at least be fighting for the play offs (aka Bournemouth / Swansea).  Whilst the rest of the clubs, Derby in this case break the bank to try and compete.  
By regaining immediate promotion the PL recoup something like £83 million for Norwich and Watford.  Add to that what Bournemouth / Swansea would have got and you're looking at over £100 million.  I know the EFL are supposedly looking to ask for this "back" but it's not the policy so is unlikely to wash.  Distributing that money across the EFL clubs instead of back into the already overflowing PL coffers would provide a huge lifeline for many clubs.  Whilst I know it's money that originates from the PL pot, so they'd see it as just keeping "what's ours", as it would have been paid into the EFL, why not still do so - it'd be a massive step in helping to keep the 69? EFL clubs afloat.  Grrrrr

This!  There's not much I get on my soap box about but this is the one that lights my touch paper.  Relegated teams not only often come down with the core of their PL squad still intact, but then get given millions to aid their cause. It's no wonder they'll invariably either get promoted straight away (aka Norwich / Watford) or at least be fighting for the play offs (aka Bournemouth / Swansea).  Whilst the rest of the clubs, Derby in this case break the bank to try and compete.  
By regaining immediate promotion the PL recoup something like £83 million for Norwich and Watford.  Add to that what Bournemouth / Swansea would have got and you're looking at over £100 million.  I know the EFL are supposedly looking to ask for this "back" but it's not the policy so is unlikely to wash.  Distributing that money across the EFL clubs instead of back into the already overflowing PL coffers would provide a huge lifeline for many clubs.  Whilst I know it's money that originates from the PL pot, so they'd see it as just keeping "what's ours", as it would have been paid into the EFL, why not still do so - it'd be a massive step in helping to keep the 69? EFL clubs afloat.  Grrrrr