WestKentRam

Just watched the highlights on Rams TV.

What caught my eye was when Roberts scored his header for our first goal he runs over to Hourihane to celebrate and there appears to be some very polite clapping from a few of the MKD fans in that corner to him. What a sporting bunch.

Was intruiged to see when Derby last came back to win from a losing position in an away game in the league.

Scrolling back through previous results as far as I can see it was 8/2/20 when we beat Swansea away 3-2 after being 1 nil up then 2-1 down.

A positive stat and I hope if we can keep this sort of performance up then it should be a great season.

2 hours ago, Blondest Goat said:

37 miles by road for me.

You get ticket priority over me then, as I'm 48 miles by road.

If the Beavers are victorious tonight I just hope the tickets go into the 40-50 miles away phase of sales.

2 hours ago, StrawHillRam said:

Í bet I’m the closest. 

If you are, must be a nice neck of the woods to live in. I'm not sure the chant 'Hampton's a ......, I want to go home' would really hold water there.

I'm 32 as the crow flies miles away, but a lot closer than the 142 miles that I am to Pride Park.

32 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Stop winding him up. You know full well it ain’t going to happen.

Fret not. I know B4 and his dad well and we often have a joke about such matters as attendances, travelling etc when chatting pre match.

I'm only jealous as they are planning a clean sweep of fixtures this season and I'm a southern softy who tries to get to away games south of Derby but not always successfully.

8 hours ago, B4ev6is said:

Doubt that mate 

Be games from last season.

Are you sure?

In these environmentally friendly times there must be a greener way to allow the geographically closest fans to attend away matches.

Would mean I don't go to home games though so I've probably not thought this one through.

22 minutes ago, scout's dad said:

 

Are you local?

Close enough. School trips to Hampton Court and I've been to Richmond Park. Surely that's enough for first phase tickets?

Fingers crossed for a Hampton and Richmond win tomorrow.

If so, I hope priority for away tickets goes to Rams fans who live closest to their stadium. Only fair.

7 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Like to think there was a difference today. That players were told a forward pass is only possible if there’s someone ahead of you who is showing for the ball. Only possible with more bodies in midfield 

There were definitely options in front most of the game. It wasn't just hoofing it and hoping for the best.

My mind did stray during the game to the Johnny Russell era when he was accused of sometimes not quite fancying it, when he seemed to stray into a position where he couldn't receive the ball. This was not evident with our current crop of players today and gave me a warm little glow inside.

Well, that was an excellent day out.

Listened to the last few Radio Derby podcasts on the drive to Cambridge, and heartened to hear PW say he does not like passing it across the pitch and backwards, and gameplay has to be positive. Could see this in the players and their thinking whereas in previous games they would have kept passing across the back, whereas now they thought, better not do that, so it was a forward pass instead.

V impressed with PW setting up cones, getting directly involved with the warm up and shooting drills.

Seeing him lose his nut on the sidelines when instead of forward movement a backward pass was made.

I know it's only one game but his whole ethos on how football should be played and positivity really makes me feel very positive about the future as well.

Well done to David Clowes and his team on headhunting PW and his team of coaches as their approach is exactly what we need.

Lucky 13: Peterborough, Charlton, Ipswich, Bristol Rovers, FGR, WW, Oxford, Cambridge, Portsmouth, Lincoln, Cheltenham, MKD, Burton.

For me it's always a balance of ticket availability and whether midweek or Saturday game. I go to midweek home games and accept getting back 2am or so, but if it's an midweek away game then don't like to travel so far. Must give myself a talking to this season as this makes little sense.

13 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

QPR in the 2020-21 season I think.

 

Cheers. 18 months ago then. Feels longer than that...

Struggling to remember the last league game we won in London ?

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

Unless we are running at break even or a profit, surely the administrators would be breaking the law by continuing to trade knowing they were going to liquidate us in a few months time?

This is speculation by the way, I'm not up on insolvency law.

Mine has been pure speculation as well, as strangely enough I am not an insolvency lawyer or accountant either!

While clearing out the loft this week I found some old Coca Cola Super Skills badges I got while playing football at primary school back in the day. It did make me think that to 'enjoy' football nowadays it might be more useful for children to undertake football accountancy lessons to be able to understand their club's financial predicament with a more considered approach ?

However I have taken informal advice this morning on this from an accountant I know who has worked on liquidations, and his opinion is it is not illegal for the administrators to see out to the end of the season and liquidate us then, if they think they can get more money for the creditors at that point.

Apparently, the administrators have to take chances that might not pay off, so long as the creditors are behind it. That might be why we are continuing to play on if we are still losing money, but if relegation is confirmed before the last match of the season then they might liquidate the club at that point if the financial impact of relegation is so bad if we played on and are losing money with every game played.

I agree not very cheery and hopefully it won't come to this, and I of course have no problem if others want to take a more positive approach. A long drive home post match with another supporter to ponder how this may play out did make us think that actually we are in the end game without knowing. Anyway, I'm off for a Roy Keane-esque long dog walk to clear my head!

10 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

Why would they turn down the offers from Kirchner and, even more recently, the Binnies if that was the case?

Even if they were going for more cash, those bids would still offer the creditors more than they'll get if the club is liquidated.

I must admit to not knowing how the finance from the bids would actually have worked, but the Binnie bid was reported as £30m for the complete club, including the stadium that is owned by MM but has MSD loans against it. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60695605

Would creditors have really got more money this way than liquidation, or the Binnie's a stadium on the cheap?

I hope you are right and if bids have been turned down it means that better ones that will work are on the table, rather than the bids offered don't cover the debts that need to be paid.

On the long drive home post match with @South east ram today, after discussing the current situation ad infinitum as standard, he came up with the following theory that made me even more depressed.

What if liquidation has actually been decided on and we are just playing out the end of the season to finish it off to its natural conclusion and bring in the most money for the creditors? With no stadium, huge outstanding debts, almost certain relegation, a -15 points deduction to start next season with in L1 with a squad of 5 players, no-one is going to pay over the odds for this.

The remaining players we have who can be released are being sold, such as Plange and Festy. The club plays the remaining games of this season to bring in match day income that can eventually go to the creditors. And that is it. 

There will be the usual statements to say they tried hard to sell the club but with all the complicating factors it could not attract bids that would satisfy the various creditors, and we will be left shell shocked wondering how it all came to this.

I desperately hope he is wrong, but unless Mel decides to gift the stadium or personally settle the debts, or a buyer pays these off and spends a lot more buying Derby than they could get another Championship club for, I do fear that perhaps we are already in the end game without realising it.

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

Maybe. But if players who develop that sort of reputation lose the benefit of the doubt, that doesn’t seem a bad thing. As he got older, CM was in the habit of going down easily. It did seem that refs gave him less and less for it, as time went on.
Jason Knight goes down a lot but tends to cleverly draw a foul rather than invent one. I think he gets a pretty good deal from most refs.
Joz had a poor habit of going down too easily when he was done for pace (which was quite often). I think he was frequently denied fouls, maybe because of his reputation ?

I just think that referees shouldn't do research on clubs and players prior to a match as this will colour their judgement. It would be great if decisions are just made on what they see on the pitch rather than being based on other factors.

4 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

It’s in EFL and PL rules that any out of contract player under the age of 24 that signs for another club results in compensation being paid to the player’s former club to compensate for them developing the player. So if Watford sign him from us they have to pay some compensation, Udinese do as well but a far lower amount. The two clubs (Watford and Udinese) are linked by family ownership so the speculation is that he will sign for Udinese for peanuts then eventually end up at Watford to circumnavigate the compensation rules. 

Great. I understand it now! Thank you.

3 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Surely the reason they research each club before officiating is to do a better job, to make fewer mistakes. Don’t understand why you describe it as bias 

If in their research they come across player X who has a tendency to go down easily, if said player is chopped down in their game they might be influenced by what others have said before rather than what they see if front of their eyes.

A bit like what happened in the clip with Chris Martin against Burnley when he was given a second yellow card and sent off for a 'dive' against Burnley. 

27 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Essentially, Its not a British club his contracts with so no compo and they loan him to Watford - bit like Vydra.  If any potential new owner is letting a player who could be worth 10 million at the end of next season leave on a free rather than add another 5 million to the kitty now and risking two or three more following suit it's goodnight.  Makes no sense so we have no serious bidder.  Get on with calling time on this poo show.

25 minutes ago, Ram@Lincoln said:

Teams in the UK are subject to paying the FA's set compensation, as Udinese are outside of the FA's realm they only get charged UEFA's youth compensation that's equalivant to pennies in the pound. We'll be receiving circa £50k for Ebosele, aka less than two Shinnie size fees.

Thanks for the replies.

As he's out of contract at the end of this season, if Watford want him why don't they wait until then to sign him?

I assume if they did so themselves directly now before the end of the season, rather than Udinese, it would ironically essentially be 'tapping up' as per the Gibson-Parry Ziege case.

Can anyone enlighten me on why if he directly signed with Watford once his contract expired with us we would be due compensation, rather than going from Udinese to Watford?

1 hour ago, Jubbs said:

Derby 0-1 Preston - Didn't give an obvious foul on Sibley in the middle of the pitch, they went on the counter and scored in the 90th minute.

Other highlights of this game were:

Waghorn was sent off after 20 minutes. 

Jozwiak was through on goal and a foul was then given against him.

5 minutes of added time at the end of the game at 0-0 were indicated, but when Sibley was fouled in the move they went on to score from this was in the 90+6th minute.

I'm looking forward to tomorrow and will keep my usual uncritical, open mind as to the referee's performance!

I remember watching a TV programme on referees' decision making a while ago, possibly the Redknapp and Carragher one, and was surprised that one of the referees said in the build up to the game they discuss which players to watch out for as known divers who try and con a decision from a referee etc.

In my naivety I thought that referees would enter each game with a clear, unbiased mind, but of course this is impossible. But to actively research each club before a game makes me think that biases are likely to enter their decision making. Unless referees live in some sort of monk like existence, with no access to the internet, social media, newspapers, or people with an interest in football to discuss clubs with, then pre-existing ideas are bound to influence them.

It isn't too  much of a stretch to think that a referee, who is self employed and given a job to referee a game on a week to week basis, knows that that the organisation that ultimately funds their livelihood has stated on the record that they want Derby County relegated, and this influences their decision making during the match. I am sure it is not as overt as sitting around in a darkened room with orders to make sure a result goes a certain way and a conspiracy as such, but it would be unreasonable to think that biases do not occur in the decisions they make.

9 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Think we're going round in circles so I'll leave it here - totally agree it shouldn't have been a throw in. Everything that follows after that is in our own gift to make sure that Bournemouth didn't score. 

Yes I agree with you on this, but just feel strongly this was their third attacking opportunity given by a poor officiating decision in the first half, and this gave them a distinct advantage.

On a separate point, while perusing info re the PGMOL while waiting for MOTD to start, I find it interesting to note that referees are classed as self employed and have a contract with the PGMOL for each individual match, lasting from the Monday before the match until the post-match report is completed.

https://www.taxjournal.com/articles/hmrc-v-professional-game-match-officials-ltd

Referees must be under some pressure to do well in each game, in case the EFL/PL/FA funded PGMOL decides not to require their services for future games.

6 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

The nutmegs which Anthony did on Bielik to set their first goal up was not down to the standard of officiating.

I concur that it should have been a throw in however after that the clock resets and we didn't defend the next phase sufficiently enough hence why they scored.

Yes if it's wholly down to their player beating one of ours or our poor defending then fair do's. However, if an incorrect refereeing decision helped in this move or leads to the subsequent goal then they are being given a helping hand to win along the way.