ScubaRam

Where do you stop when you start looking into someones (some business) past before judging them 'fit and proper'. 
Like has been mentioned, no one was bothered about when Chelsea was getting their money from until a white country (I say white man because some who are now outraged were fine when it was us bombing the **** out of middle eastern counties) started getting bombed. 

Do you spend your money at Shell - well there there are questions over their role and killings in the Niger Delta (Nigeria), clothing brands - sweatshops....your Apple phone (children mining gold & forced labour in China). I know this isn't something that you brought up, but more feeding into my wider point that it is not just a football world problem Western culture picks and chooses what it deems to be outraged at depending on which way the political wind is blowing. 

We have just got rid of a dodgy owner, no he doesnt contain a fraction of the dodginess as our chums down the A52. We can highlight this, but we're okay to look past other areas outside the footballing world when other dodgy things are carries out. 

I'm rambling and I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Haha. I just think the acceptance of ignoring things that aren't right runs throughout society, just people seem to be more bothered about it within football. hm. 

I had got my head around Derby getting relegated and didn't think I'd be that bothered. Yet when I saw on TV that Reading scored I was  gutted. 

I didn't think it would work out with Rooney (I was hopeful of Mac3) as our manager. Like Lampard before him, he'd sail off at the first chance and leave us behind like a forgotten memory. I'm glad to be wrong and seeing him standing outside the gates of the training ground in front of the players, talking to the fans after the club has just been relegated, proved just how wrong I was. I read the Forest forum before coming onto here and saw a couple of comments from knuckle draggers complaining that we should be ashamed of how we've gone down (cheating and all that jazz), not understanding why most/all of us felt pride. 
Yes I was gutted that we went down, but that video of Rooney outside of the training ground is just what I needed to see. It's moments like that as to why you support your local club, not Liverpool or Man City. How many kids were there watching that? Would the kids of the aforementioned clubs been able to see amazing moments like that at there clubs? Thats why its important to back local. The connection. Rooney gets it. 

I'm proud to be apart of this, even if my part is just sat on my seat cheering them on. ? 

You Rams. ? 

Where do you stop when you start looking into someones (some business) past before judging them 'fit and proper'. 
Like has been mentioned, no one was bothered about when Chelsea was getting their money from until a white country (I say white man because some who are now outraged were fine when it was us bombing the **** out of middle eastern counties) started getting bombed. 

Do you spend your money at Shell - well there there are questions over their role and killings in the Niger Delta (Nigeria), clothing brands - sweatshops....your Apple phone (children mining gold & forced labour in China). I know this isn't something that you brought up, but more feeding into my wider point that it is not just a football world problem Western culture picks and chooses what it deems to be outraged at depending on which way the political wind is blowing. 

We have just got rid of a dodgy owner, no he doesnt contain a fraction of the dodginess as our chums down the A52. We can highlight this, but we're okay to look past other areas outside the footballing world when other dodgy things are carries out. 

I'm rambling and I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Haha. I just think the acceptance of ignoring things that aren't right runs throughout society, just people seem to be more bothered about it within football. hm. 

I’m at peace with relegation, it’s not stressing me anymore.
 

Another way to look at it is we closed 1 point on reading. Who seem to be doing everything within their power to help us stay up. 
 
we keep chipping away, the gap is shrinking. 

Another way to look at it is we closed 1 point on reading. Who seem to be doing everything within their power to help us stay up. 
 
we keep chipping away, the gap is shrinking. 

Another way to look at it is we closed 1 point on reading. Who seem to be doing everything within their power to help us stay up. 
 
we keep chipping away, the gap is shrinking. 

I will be giving it a listen while I make something to eat to see what people have to say. If you don't want to listen don't listen, it's pretty simple.

What is all that Reading stuff? You have always seemed steadfastly against Whataboutery. Let’s just concentrate on The Rams shall we.
To me, but I might be just old school, it does matter that we wanted to adopt an amortisation policy completely different to all other clubs in the league that we were competing against (in fact we were the only one applying a different policy amongst a membership group of 72). If we wanted to adopt such a policy we should have been more transparent and got the policy formally approved. Otherwise it is, to me at least, no more than wanting to seek some advantage.
I am sorry I will not be swayed from my view, which is very long standing on this board, that Morris and Pearce were trying to gain some spending advantage by changing the policy. It gave them the ability to spend more, although they of course spent the extra monies lamentably and we actually gained no sporting advantage. Whilst I accept your key point, and have never argued differently, that ultimately the net depreciation figures for the two methods are identical what is different is one policy allows for accelerated spending and/or (if you like) puts off reporting judgment day. Well judgment day has come today and confirms our overspending and P&S breach in the years after what has previously been audited. An overspending, and breach, which would have happened whichever amortisation policy is applied.
The EFL come out of this with little credit, but we, as a Club, have had this coming for a long time because of what I see as gaming. There is only one person to blame for that, and the fact that we are now heading back to the old 3rd Division next season. COYR!

What are you including in commercial and hospitality here? Usually that would include sponsorship and merchandise, which are not 'small bits' and were not wiped out by COVID. Are you in any way considering offsetting income from people watching in alternative ways, ie online? 
In any case, say it was £20m if you like. My point was that even if this figure is correct, it needs to be looked at in context: the enormous losses Mel absorbed over multiple seasons, and the total £60m debts we apparently now have. The COVID loan that we were apparently cruelly denied by an EFL hell bent on destroying us was capped at £8.3m. That's roughly the sum we reportedly owe Cocu and his sidekicks for sacking them (in the middle of the pandemic).
Clearly a number of people need to believe that we are a victimised club, led by a visionary businessman whose masterplan of sustainable success was cruelly derailed by a combination of COVID and the evil Baron Gibson and his EFL minions. And I say that's wishful thinking, as the accounts we still have to publish for 2018/19 onwards will probably confirm. I trust the administrators are doing their best to get us back on track. 
Anyway I realise this is an unpopular view so I'm out. 

When people are losing their jobs, blowing 300k on an appeal that is extremely unlikely to succeed is not on. Just my opinion.

Sooner keep MP’s out of it. They will literally  offer nothing and then try and claim some success on the back of doing nothing.

I quite like how Radio Derby cover the club in general to be honest. Would quite like to hear Steels perspective on the situation but I guess he has other commitments. I really like Chris hosting though. 

I quite like how Radio Derby cover the club in general to be honest. Would quite like to hear Steels perspective on the situation but I guess he has other commitments. I really like Chris hosting though. 

I quite like how Radio Derby cover the club in general to be honest. Would quite like to hear Steels perspective on the situation but I guess he has other commitments. I really like Chris hosting though. 

I wasn’t overly keen when he got the job, and after the season finished wanted him to move on. Delighted that I’ve been proven wrong, if we’re going down, we’re going down fighting - this is down to him. Fair play to the lad. 

I wasn’t overly keen when he got the job, and after the season finished wanted him to move on. Delighted that I’ve been proven wrong, if we’re going down, we’re going down fighting - this is down to him. Fair play to the lad. 

I wasn’t overly keen when he got the job, and after the season finished wanted him to move on. Delighted that I’ve been proven wrong, if we’re going down, we’re going down fighting - this is down to him. Fair play to the lad. 

I wasn’t overly keen when he got the job, and after the season finished wanted him to move on. Delighted that I’ve been proven wrong, if we’re going down, we’re going down fighting - this is down to him. Fair play to the lad. 

I wasn’t overly keen when he got the job, and after the season finished wanted him to move on. Delighted that I’ve been proven wrong, if we’re going down, we’re going down fighting - this is down to him. Fair play to the lad. 

I wasn’t overly keen when he got the job, and after the season finished wanted him to move on. Delighted that I’ve been proven wrong, if we’re going down, we’re going down fighting - this is down to him. Fair play to the lad. 

Do you not think we deserve these punishments though? Weve gone into administration (12pt) We broken FFP (9/12pt). We've not paid out bills (transfer embargo) and we have an owner whose just walked away (EFL trying to enforce a business plan that doesn't see us fall out of the league). I don't buy this EFL have it in for us.

Now that is ‘the Derby way’

It's the people that rely on the club for an income,are owed debts by the club's,the fans that go every Saturday week in week out that have been shafted by Mel. Not the club or EFL,why punish the little people Mel? 

Personally I don't see what the EFL has done wrong. It has been Derby who decided to do their accounts different to all of the other clubs. It is a situation that we have brought upon ourselves through trying to be too clever. 

Where we are at currently, again, I'm not sure what the EFL can do differently. They want Derby to agree a punishment so neither of them has to go through the courts again which will take even longer. We are in conversation with them rather than flat out denying there should be any punishment, so were guilty of something. With the business plan, I'm of the view that the EFL actually have our interests at heart. We have a football club that is haemorrhaging money with a owner who wants out. EFL want to a plan created where we don't go down the toilet, I guess they can't take Mel at his word. 

Like everyone I want this over as quickly as possible, but I'm of the view that we've brought this upon ourselves. I'd quite like a club in the football league to take my kid to next season when hes old enough.