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By that logic seatbelts don’t work either as people still die from car accidents.
And chemo doesn’t work either as people still die from cancer.
You simply don’t know. But you and Archie continue to argue against popular belief in the science world regardless.
My biggest query is why? I can understand the lack of trust in the government and their message given how they have acted throughout.
But forget government. Science tells you masks reduce the chances of spreading COVID. Why you and Archie continue to choose to deny that is bizarre.
Ive mentioned previously on this thread. We all choose to believe the information presented. But I just don’t understand those who are hell bent on choosing the minority view.
 

Heard this sort of conversation around quite a lot recently. It’s sad people aren’t willing to take more responsibility with their health in all situations, but one of the core values and principles behind the NHS- and the way I believe medicine should be practised- is without prejudice or judgement. Whether that’s spending thousands on the treatment of a (likely) cigarette induced lung cancer patient, transplanting a liver into an alcoholic, doing your utmost to save a limb for a patient with diabetes or indeed treating an anti-vaxxed Covid patient on ICU. Healthcare is a right and should never be conditional. My penny’s worth anyway

Heard this sort of conversation around quite a lot recently. It’s sad people aren’t willing to take more responsibility with their health in all situations, but one of the core values and principles behind the NHS- and the way I believe medicine should be practised- is without prejudice or judgement. Whether that’s spending thousands on the treatment of a (likely) cigarette induced lung cancer patient, transplanting a liver into an alcoholic, doing your utmost to save a limb for a patient with diabetes or indeed treating an anti-vaxxed Covid patient on ICU. Healthcare is a right and should never be conditional. My penny’s worth anyway

Heard this sort of conversation around quite a lot recently. It’s sad people aren’t willing to take more responsibility with their health in all situations, but one of the core values and principles behind the NHS- and the way I believe medicine should be practised- is without prejudice or judgement. Whether that’s spending thousands on the treatment of a (likely) cigarette induced lung cancer patient, transplanting a liver into an alcoholic, doing your utmost to save a limb for a patient with diabetes or indeed treating an anti-vaxxed Covid patient on ICU. Healthcare is a right and should never be conditional. My penny’s worth anyway

Just imagine the figures if no one wore them

Shameless plug but one summer when I was off from uni I made a compilation of some of our team goals under Clough, McClaren, Clement and Wassall. Not watched it in a while myself, enjoy.
 

Very balanced post , real shame that there’s been no balance from our government, advisors , media, I have no trust in a thing they say ,
third jab then more with different jabs and sliding doors time gap recommendations is a step too far for me at this point , I’ve been out and about for two years in covid environment with the family having it ( pretty certain me too ,before double jab ) and at this point will wait and watch??‍♂️

It was genuine concern mate. Nobody should ever be forced to have a medical treatment but I’d really beg people who are on the fence/not getting boosted and especially those who aren’t vaccinated, to please reconsider. It’s all well and good making your decisions not to get jabbed when you’re at home (hopefully healthy), but I’ve personally seen several people (mix of predominantly unvaccinated and those who were partially jabbed with comorbidities) alone in ICU, terrified and sadly at the end of their lives who just wished they’d had the jabs. As another poster has said, they all said they just didnt think it’d happen to them. 
 
I know EARLY data suggests this is more mild- I dearly hope that’s true- but I simply don’t think it’s worth the risk. This is all aside from the fact the NHS is honestly broken atm, anyone who has family working in a medical setting will attest to it. Increased infectivity means continued hospitalisations and staff having to isolate, this will lengthen the waiting times further and everyone knows the story. The vaccine is the best way to stop you having to go to hospital because of COVID.
 
I usually try my best to see both sides of arguments in most situations but I just can’t see why anyone would be so against a vaccine that has been shown to protect you against one of the most significant health issue in memory. Please get it.

There’s lots of data that argues both sides of the debate: some argue modest but significant reduction in transmission is afforded by the vaccines and lots of data disproving that aswell. Logic dictates if you have less severe symptoms and the virus is spread by droplet transmission (coughing sneezing etc) then that would support the premise it reduces spread, but as I say lots of data both ways and no firm conclusions can be drawn. 
 
The thing I’d say is don’t be suckered into thinking transmission is the only point of vaccinations or boosters. Many vaccines other than COVID aren’t primarily supposed to stop transmission. Even if the vaccine doesnt stop you spreading/contracting the virus, the fact it can keep you out of hospital and lower your risk of dying is something that needs to be considered when deciding whether you think it’s worthwhile.

It was genuine concern mate. Nobody should ever be forced to have a medical treatment but I’d really beg people who are on the fence/not getting boosted and especially those who aren’t vaccinated, to please reconsider. It’s all well and good making your decisions not to get jabbed when you’re at home (hopefully healthy), but I’ve personally seen several people (mix of predominantly unvaccinated and those who were partially jabbed with comorbidities) alone in ICU, terrified and sadly at the end of their lives who just wished they’d had the jabs. As another poster has said, they all said they just didnt think it’d happen to them. 
 
I know EARLY data suggests this is more mild- I dearly hope that’s true- but I simply don’t think it’s worth the risk. This is all aside from the fact the NHS is honestly broken atm, anyone who has family working in a medical setting will attest to it. Increased infectivity means continued hospitalisations and staff having to isolate, this will lengthen the waiting times further and everyone knows the story. The vaccine is the best way to stop you having to go to hospital because of COVID.
 
I usually try my best to see both sides of arguments in most situations but I just can’t see why anyone would be so against a vaccine that has been shown to protect you against one of the most significant health issue in memory. Please get it.

It was genuine concern mate. Nobody should ever be forced to have a medical treatment but I’d really beg people who are on the fence/not getting boosted and especially those who aren’t vaccinated, to please reconsider. It’s all well and good making your decisions not to get jabbed when you’re at home (hopefully healthy), but I’ve personally seen several people (mix of predominantly unvaccinated and those who were partially jabbed with comorbidities) alone in ICU, terrified and sadly at the end of their lives who just wished they’d had the jabs. As another poster has said, they all said they just didnt think it’d happen to them. 
 
I know EARLY data suggests this is more mild- I dearly hope that’s true- but I simply don’t think it’s worth the risk. This is all aside from the fact the NHS is honestly broken atm, anyone who has family working in a medical setting will attest to it. Increased infectivity means continued hospitalisations and staff having to isolate, this will lengthen the waiting times further and everyone knows the story. The vaccine is the best way to stop you having to go to hospital because of COVID.
 
I usually try my best to see both sides of arguments in most situations but I just can’t see why anyone would be so against a vaccine that has been shown to protect you against one of the most significant health issue in memory. Please get it.

It was genuine concern mate. Nobody should ever be forced to have a medical treatment but I’d really beg people who are on the fence/not getting boosted and especially those who aren’t vaccinated, to please reconsider. It’s all well and good making your decisions not to get jabbed when you’re at home (hopefully healthy), but I’ve personally seen several people (mix of predominantly unvaccinated and those who were partially jabbed with comorbidities) alone in ICU, terrified and sadly at the end of their lives who just wished they’d had the jabs. As another poster has said, they all said they just didnt think it’d happen to them. 
 
I know EARLY data suggests this is more mild- I dearly hope that’s true- but I simply don’t think it’s worth the risk. This is all aside from the fact the NHS is honestly broken atm, anyone who has family working in a medical setting will attest to it. Increased infectivity means continued hospitalisations and staff having to isolate, this will lengthen the waiting times further and everyone knows the story. The vaccine is the best way to stop you having to go to hospital because of COVID.
 
I usually try my best to see both sides of arguments in most situations but I just can’t see why anyone would be so against a vaccine that has been shown to protect you against one of the most significant health issue in memory. Please get it.

It was genuine concern mate. Nobody should ever be forced to have a medical treatment but I’d really beg people who are on the fence/not getting boosted and especially those who aren’t vaccinated, to please reconsider. It’s all well and good making your decisions not to get jabbed when you’re at home (hopefully healthy), but I’ve personally seen several people (mix of predominantly unvaccinated and those who were partially jabbed with comorbidities) alone in ICU, terrified and sadly at the end of their lives who just wished they’d had the jabs. As another poster has said, they all said they just didnt think it’d happen to them. 
 
I know EARLY data suggests this is more mild- I dearly hope that’s true- but I simply don’t think it’s worth the risk. This is all aside from the fact the NHS is honestly broken atm, anyone who has family working in a medical setting will attest to it. Increased infectivity means continued hospitalisations and staff having to isolate, this will lengthen the waiting times further and everyone knows the story. The vaccine is the best way to stop you having to go to hospital because of COVID.
 
I usually try my best to see both sides of arguments in most situations but I just can’t see why anyone would be so against a vaccine that has been shown to protect you against one of the most significant health issue in memory. Please get it.

It was genuine concern mate. Nobody should ever be forced to have a medical treatment but I’d really beg people who are on the fence/not getting boosted and especially those who aren’t vaccinated, to please reconsider. It’s all well and good making your decisions not to get jabbed when you’re at home (hopefully healthy), but I’ve personally seen several people (mix of predominantly unvaccinated and those who were partially jabbed with comorbidities) alone in ICU, terrified and sadly at the end of their lives who just wished they’d had the jabs. As another poster has said, they all said they just didnt think it’d happen to them. 
 
I know EARLY data suggests this is more mild- I dearly hope that’s true- but I simply don’t think it’s worth the risk. This is all aside from the fact the NHS is honestly broken atm, anyone who has family working in a medical setting will attest to it. Increased infectivity means continued hospitalisations and staff having to isolate, this will lengthen the waiting times further and everyone knows the story. The vaccine is the best way to stop you having to go to hospital because of COVID.
 
I usually try my best to see both sides of arguments in most situations but I just can’t see why anyone would be so against a vaccine that has been shown to protect you against one of the most significant health issue in memory. Please get it.

He couldn't politically. They should have shut yesterday, but he promised Christmas would be saved.
Sadly government and politics have different priorities.

Yep I finished work last Thursday, went out to the pub Thursday night/friday day-early afternoon/saturday all day (for the football) and by Sunday I'd caught it (bit of a bummer when you've booked 3 weeks off!)  despite not even getting a sniff of it in all the preceding months of the past variants.
I honestly thought it would never get me.
I'm DV'd (DJ'd?) but havent had opportunity of a booster yet. I've only had the mildest of cold-like symptoms since then and generally felt 90% fine, but isolating of course - I live in the same house as my mum (60+ & asthmatic) and brother. She's 'boosted' and aside from some mild cold symptoms she's fine, thankfully nothing to worry about.
Mrs CB (48, double jabbed) works in a pub and had avoided it until she succombed to illness on Monday and had to be sent home, I don't know if I've passsed it onto her or what's happened, but she's in a bad way. (I was with her saturday night before I had any symptoms, she took her 70+ frail  mum for a hopsital appointment on Monday and also saw her 80+ Dad on Sunday)
Lots of sobbing from her on the phone, can hardly stand up let alone walk, might phone me at 3pm sounding 'ok', but again at 6pm absolutely knackered and delirious ("Happy Christmas tomorrow!" on the 16th) , ready to sleep for another 10 hours and can't even remember anything she told me 3 hours pior.
She's someone who generally writes off pain and buggers on with it, but is totally wiped out by this. Thankfully her parents are OK (triple jabbed) with no symptoms but if the infection varies from hardly any impact at all (me) to a massive impact (her) then it doesn't really matter how mild it is for the majority, you still have to, or should, take care and ensure, even if you even if you feel it's "nothing" , that it isn't covid.
Not sure what point I'm trying to make, but if I'd simply ignored my ill feeling as 'a cold' there would be quite a lot of people out there I could very easily have been infected, and while I'd hope in that case their symptoms would only have matched mine (which previously I'd never have in a million years have put down as something potentially serious) I'd hate the thought of another person being laid as low as Mrs CB is - you just don't know on a per-person basis what impact it'll have.
 

Might be the case in Mexico Bris.
In Britain, the current government have cut 22,000 beds out of the NHS system so I'm not convinced they want to limit deaths and hospitalisations.

When is Buchanan back? Forsyth is an absolute fraud of a footballer.
It’s so frustrating the way we concede so many goals of our own making. Unbelievably sloppy passing throughout, defenders ball watching when they have the ball in our third - it’s school boy stuff.
We’ve got one hell of a footballer in Liam Thompson though.

I'd rather this then support forest

Convinced an old mate to get a ticket for Reading. He generally makes about 3 games a season but he's committed to home games until Christmas at least.
I reckon he'll get the bug and be chasing away fans back to the station in no time. He's 62.

Have just booked flights (from Iceland) for Swans game and the double header in Feb v P'boro and Millwall.
Hate the position the club finds itself in and sincerley sorry that I cannot do more from afar, but really encouraged in how the fans are coming together and showing unity.
We can but hope that the club come out the otherside and that we can still watch on from the terraces, wherever we are.
COYR
 

I would willingly buy 2adult or 1 adult plus 2 child tickets to gift to someone who can’t afford it. But how do I find that person as I don’t want to give it to someone just taking advantage?
the only family I have left in the area can afford to pay for themselves when circumstances allow them to go!

I will be paying for 4 of us and be travelling from Lincolnshire.......not a million miles away but still a long and expensive day......but after Saturday the players deserve the acknowledgement and what better way than a full house v Reading COYR

This is the most important thing we can do. Create some income to limit redundancies and player sales, make us attractive to purchasers and support the team.
If you haven't got a season ticket, buy a match ticket. 
If you have a got a season ticket , encourage a mate to come or if you can afford it, gift a ticket to a mate. 
Encourage friends and family to come. 
If you can afford it and know someone who can't afford to go, gift them a ticket for this game.
If you live too far away and can afford it, gift a mate or family member from home,
If you are thinking of coming and have kids, bring them along.
Do whatever we can to fill the ground v Reading.
We've been let down but now it's our time, our time to stand up and save our club.
   

Great idea Sage, lovely gesture. 
I live overseas, prior to covid, I was making half a dozen games max either home or away all season. 
Another way to do this could be for some of us to chip in and buy some season tickets and designate matches to fans in need that way. Might take a little bit of work/organisation and someone with boots on the ground locally but I would be up for contributing. They could be DCFC Fans season tickets and purchased together. That way if someone would like to go and is by themselves, they will have someone at the match to say hello to and share the experience with. They could even make a contribution, whatever they can afford, to put to even more season tickets. Club then benefits too. 
Just a thought.